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It should be noted the victorious party with a super majority is hardly left wing. Like other non Hungarians I'm glad, but the substantial questions around Hung

by ggm 7mo ago

It should be noted the victorious party with a super majority is hardly left wing. Like other non Hungarians I'm glad, but the substantial questions around Hungarian postures to the EU, towards migrants, persisting antisemitism remain. How this affects geopolitics by removing a bloated Tic of pro Russian propaganda and veto voting is worth watching. I'm hopeful it has some immediate effect regarding funds and support for Ukraine, but Poland and Slovakia remain. It's good to be hopeful. It's good to be realistic.

mckirk 7mo ago
The fact that Orban is called Viktor as his first name meant your first sentence confused me greatly for a second.
- ggm 7mo ago
  "The Victor" would be like "The Donald"
AlexeyBrin 7mo ago
> How this affects geopolitics by removing a bloated Tic of pro Russian propaganda and veto voting is worth watching. I'm hopeful it has some immediate effect regarding funds and support for Ukraine, but Poland and Slovakia remain. I don't follow, Poland is anti-Russian and pro-Ukraine. Where do you see the similarity between Orban regime and current Poland government ?
- thrance 7mo ago
  Both governments are (were?) similarly right-wing. Poland's is indeed pro-Ukraine but also very pro-Trump.
  - seba_dos1 7mo ago
    The pro-Trump government has lost the last parliamentary election in 2023. The new one is still rather on the right side, but it's a coalition of several parties, none of which goes as far right as the previous gov (and one even has "left" in its name, though it's centre-left at best) and it's definitely not pro-Trump.
  - benterix 7mo ago
    Poland is very anti-Trump, just like the rest of Europe. However, the current president is from a right-wing fraction that decided to support Trump and now has a very hard time explaining to their votes his every crazy move.
- seba_dos1 7mo ago
  The right-wing isn't exactly known for being internally consistent and easy to follow, but the current Polish president that has been recently elected comes from a right-wing environment that's allied with Orban. That said, the president does not have a lot of power in Poland and what he does have mostly comes from the ability to obstruct the government's work with vetoes.
mytailorisrich 7mo ago
It is testament to the power of propaganda in Europe that being euroskeptic or anti-immigration is deemed a "wrong opinion" at official level troughout the continent... in French there is a famous expression for this unique "correct" opinion across the board: pensée unique (single thought).
- ggm 7mo ago
  The strength of vote suggests that we're not looking at popular euroscepticism, but at a popular rejection of Orbans vision of Hungary in europe. Orban went beyond scepticism. He went pretty deep in another direction. He had to construct myths, confect crises to do it and they appear to have benefited one specific power bloc opposed to Europe.
  - mytailorisrich 7mo ago
    I commented in general, not specifically Orban or this election, although the whole "EU machine" has indeed been working hard against him all these years in a way that does not make me comfortable.

by ggm 7mo ago

mckirk 7mo ago

The fact that Orban is called Viktor as his first name meant your first sentence confused me greatly for a second.

ggm 7mo ago
"The Victor" would be like "The Donald"

AlexeyBrin 7mo ago

> How this affects geopolitics by removing a bloated Tic of pro Russian propaganda and veto voting is worth watching. I'm hopeful it has some immediate effect regarding funds and support for Ukraine, but Poland and Slovakia remain. I don't follow, Poland is anti-Russian and pro-Ukraine. Where do you see the similarity between Orban regime and current Poland government ?

thrance 7mo ago
Both governments are (were?) similarly right-wing. Poland's is indeed pro-Ukraine but also very pro-Trump.
- seba_dos1 7mo ago
  The pro-Trump government has lost the last parliamentary election in 2023. The new one is still rather on the right side, but it's a coalition of several parties, none of which goes as far right as the previous gov (and one even has "left" in its name, though it's centre-left at best) and it's definitely not pro-Trump.
- benterix 7mo ago
  Poland is very anti-Trump, just like the rest of Europe. However, the current president is from a right-wing fraction that decided to support Trump and now has a very hard time explaining to their votes his every crazy move.
seba_dos1 7mo ago
The right-wing isn't exactly known for being internally consistent and easy to follow, but the current Polish president that has been recently elected comes from a right-wing environment that's allied with Orban. That said, the president does not have a lot of power in Poland and what he does have mostly comes from the ability to obstruct the government's work with vetoes.

mytailorisrich 7mo ago

It is testament to the power of propaganda in Europe that being euroskeptic or anti-immigration is deemed a "wrong opinion" at official level troughout the continent... in French there is a famous expression for this unique "correct" opinion across the board: pensée unique (single thought).

ggm 7mo ago
The strength of vote suggests that we're not looking at popular euroscepticism, but at a popular rejection of Orbans vision of Hungary in europe. Orban went beyond scepticism. He went pretty deep in another direction. He had to construct myths, confect crises to do it and they appear to have benefited one specific power bloc opposed to Europe.
- mytailorisrich 7mo ago
  I commented in general, not specifically Orban or this election, although the whole "EU machine" has indeed been working hard against him all these years in a way that does not make me comfortable.