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Are competitors doing well? It's really a bit of a weird product category - not really appealing to vegetarians or meat eaters. Who are they marketing it to?

bombcar 7mo ago
People who eat meat but feel bad about it, apparently. This is an extremely loud online group but apparently barely exists in real life.
- europeanNyan 7mo ago
  So, like most extremely loud online groups then?
FabCH 7mo ago
For an international perspective, I can tell you that their competitors are doing very well in my corner of Europe, but the competitions quality is 10x-100x that of Beyond. People buy competitors products because they are simply legitimately fine tasting products on their own, no vegetarian vs meat marketing required. Beyond just has shit product, even if they genuinely were the first to develop the technology.
- HarHarVeryFunny 7mo ago
  I guess I just don't get it. Obviously there's a decent sized market for vegetarian convenience food, but the meat-based branding, and attempts to copy texture/flavor of meat products would seem a turn off for that market. Good flavors and mouth feel (not tofu!) are important, but why explicitly try to copy meat unless meat eaters are the market you are targeting? It'd make more sense to me to have different products/brands/advertising for different market segments. For the meat eaters the marketing would be "healthy/cheap, tastes just like beef/chicken" (which seems to be what Beyond Meat are going for), and for the vegetarians "delicious flavors, plant based, high in protein" (not "fake beef").
  - nagaiaida 7mo ago
    > Good flavors and mouth feel (not tofu!) are important as one of those vegetarians who isn't particularly compelled by anything intentionally imitating meat, this is always somewhat funny to me. tofu already has good flavor and mouthfeel if prepared well, and presumably the rest of this alleged market segment is as capable of preparing tofu adequately as i am personally. so even if beyond was to pivot to (also) being beyond tofu, i fail to see how that would capture appreciably more of the market. i could be wrong, but it's always seemed to me that most of the apparent demand for something better than tofu is not in fact coming from inside the house.
    - aziaziazi 7mo ago
      May you share a recipe or two? I love tofu too but mostly buy pre-prepared ones, open and bite it cold (yummy !) My current favorites are the "dried" Taifun like their Japanese Style. https://www.taifun-tofu.de/en/products/tofu-filets-japanese-style https://www.taifun-tofu.de/en/products/tofu-filets-japanese-...
      - nagaiaida 7mo ago
        sorry, can't say i've ever cooked from a recipe, but i highly recommend caramelizing already-crispy tofu with soy sauce, sriracha, and ginger (+ fish sauce if you swing that way)
  - Newlaptop 7mo ago
    > I guess I just don't get it Imagine you liked something, then realized that thing was bad and you didn't want to do it anymore. Then somebody offered you an alternative without the ethical problems. I ate meat for like 30 years, then as I learned more about the realities of the meat industry in the US (suffering of animals, development of antibiotic resistant bacteria, pollution of air and water, exploitation and harm to workers, etc) I decided I couldn't buy meat anymore. I like having burgers and sausages and such, and Beyond meat gives me something that tastes good, is easy to cook, fits into a healthy diet.
localuser13 7mo ago
>not really appealing to vegetarians or meat eaters Why not? I'm a vegetarian/vegan for a long while now (I started during covid) and I enjoy fake meat burger or as protein in my meal once in a while. Same goes or my girlfriend. I assume most (ethical) vegetarians are in the same boat. I am a former meat eater, I enjoy the taste of meat. FWIW vegan meat substitutes are popular and getting even more popular here (EU country). For example all burger places and many regular restaurants have something similar on the menu. I avoid beyond though, it's always the most expensive option, without quality to justify it.
- HarHarVeryFunny 7mo ago
  Vegetarian and vegan menu options are extremely common here in the US too, but I'd say not so much these meat substitute products at fast food places. One of the big chains (Burger King? McDonalds?) had a Beyond burger when it first came out, but otherwise you need to avoid the big chains and may find a veggieburger on the menu, just called that - a veggie patty of some nature, not pretending to be meat. You can buy Quorn etc products in all the supermarkets.

bombcar 7mo ago

People who eat meat but feel bad about it, apparently. This is an extremely loud online group but apparently barely exists in real life.

europeanNyan 7mo ago
So, like most extremely loud online groups then?

FabCH 7mo ago

For an international perspective, I can tell you that their competitors are doing very well in my corner of Europe, but the competitions quality is 10x-100x that of Beyond. People buy competitors products because they are simply legitimately fine tasting products on their own, no vegetarian vs meat marketing required. Beyond just has shit product, even if they genuinely were the first to develop the technology.

HarHarVeryFunny 7mo ago
I guess I just don't get it. Obviously there's a decent sized market for vegetarian convenience food, but the meat-based branding, and attempts to copy texture/flavor of meat products would seem a turn off for that market. Good flavors and mouth feel (not tofu!) are important, but why explicitly try to copy meat unless meat eaters are the market you are targeting? It'd make more sense to me to have different products/brands/advertising for different market segments. For the meat eaters the marketing would be "healthy/cheap, tastes just like beef/chicken" (which seems to be what Beyond Meat are going for), and for the vegetarians "delicious flavors, plant based, high in protein" (not "fake beef").
- nagaiaida 7mo ago
  > Good flavors and mouth feel (not tofu!) are important as one of those vegetarians who isn't particularly compelled by anything intentionally imitating meat, this is always somewhat funny to me. tofu already has good flavor and mouthfeel if prepared well, and presumably the rest of this alleged market segment is as capable of preparing tofu adequately as i am personally. so even if beyond was to pivot to (also) being beyond tofu, i fail to see how that would capture appreciably more of the market. i could be wrong, but it's always seemed to me that most of the apparent demand for something better than tofu is not in fact coming from inside the house.
  - aziaziazi 7mo ago
    May you share a recipe or two? I love tofu too but mostly buy pre-prepared ones, open and bite it cold (yummy !) My current favorites are the "dried" Taifun like their Japanese Style. https://www.taifun-tofu.de/en/products/tofu-filets-japanese-style https://www.taifun-tofu.de/en/products/tofu-filets-japanese-...
    - nagaiaida 7mo ago
      sorry, can't say i've ever cooked from a recipe, but i highly recommend caramelizing already-crispy tofu with soy sauce, sriracha, and ginger (+ fish sauce if you swing that way)
- Newlaptop 7mo ago
  > I guess I just don't get it Imagine you liked something, then realized that thing was bad and you didn't want to do it anymore. Then somebody offered you an alternative without the ethical problems. I ate meat for like 30 years, then as I learned more about the realities of the meat industry in the US (suffering of animals, development of antibiotic resistant bacteria, pollution of air and water, exploitation and harm to workers, etc) I decided I couldn't buy meat anymore. I like having burgers and sausages and such, and Beyond meat gives me something that tastes good, is easy to cook, fits into a healthy diet.

localuser13 7mo ago

>not really appealing to vegetarians or meat eaters Why not? I'm a vegetarian/vegan for a long while now (I started during covid) and I enjoy fake meat burger or as protein in my meal once in a while. Same goes or my girlfriend. I assume most (ethical) vegetarians are in the same boat. I am a former meat eater, I enjoy the taste of meat. FWIW vegan meat substitutes are popular and getting even more popular here (EU country). For example all burger places and many regular restaurants have something similar on the menu. I avoid beyond though, it's always the most expensive option, without quality to justify it.

HarHarVeryFunny 7mo ago
Vegetarian and vegan menu options are extremely common here in the US too, but I'd say not so much these meat substitute products at fast food places. One of the big chains (Burger King? McDonalds?) had a Beyond burger when it first came out, but otherwise you need to avoid the big chains and may find a veggieburger on the menu, just called that - a veggie patty of some nature, not pretending to be meat. You can buy Quorn etc products in all the supermarkets.