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I wish they would just rip the bandaid to stop everybody's entitled whining. "We're sorry, what we were able to give you for $100/mo before now needs to be $20

I wish they would just rip the bandaid to stop everybody's entitled whining. "We're sorry, what we were able to give you for $100/mo before now needs to be $200/mo (or more). We miscalculated/we were too generous/gave too much away for too little. It's a new technology, we are seeing a ton of demand, we are trying to run a business, hope you understand. If you don't want it, don't pay for it."

schmookeeg 6mo ago
This is my take too, although I'm not prepared for a max400 reality to replace the max200, but... I hate all of the whingeing. Piggies at the buffet line seem to be the loudest on this subject.
73738488484 6mo ago
It is one thing to pay 100 a month to make calendar apps for your linkedin and birds on bicycles to get invited to talks, paying 200 HOWEVER
- sunnybeetroot 6mo ago
  If we didn’t have the birds on bicycles, how would we know the models are getting better?
oorza 6mo ago
Are we at the point where there are external constraints that cash can't solve?
- jazzyjackson 6mo ago
  can't tell if you're being facetious but yes, there's not enough cash in the world to double energy/silicon fab capacity in a year. Infrastructure takes time, hardware is hard, and you have to be willing to bet that the demand will be there 5 years from now to make an investment today.
  - killingtime74 6mo ago
    Until one has the entire supply of world GPU production, cash can solve it by out bidding others
    - wyre 6mo ago
      TSMC would never allow all of their output to only one customer. You have an over simplified view of this.
  - kevin_thibedeau 6mo ago
    One could always make existing infrastructure more efficient. Nothing better than post-mature optimization.
raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
Just put everyone on pay per use with the API and rip the band aid off.
- coldtea 6mo ago
  Even the pay per use is heavily VC subsidied at current prices.
  - raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
    All indications are that inference for API use is margin positive for Open AI and Anthropic not the subscription. It will basically cut the hobbyist out and entrench large corporations that can pay the real costs. If that happened and I was working for myself, I would just buy the beefiest computer I could finance and do everything locally.
djeastm 6mo ago
I would understand the move, but boy would it play right into the "AI is only here to make the rich even richer" feeling wouldn't it?
- NateEag 6mo ago
  If I strain really hard, I can come up with a reason why it might play into such a narrative. /s
squeegmeister 6mo ago
I wish they would too. I’d respect them more for the transparency. I think everyone’s enshitiffication sensors have rightly been dialed up over the years. So without explanations for the regressions it just feels like another example
theonemind 6mo ago
Honestly, I wish they couldn’t subsidize with VC cash and such and offer below cost to begin with. Like I wish it were illegal. Basically this allows things like Uber, more or less putting taxis out of business and then being worse than what they replaced. I’d like to see a lot more than entitled whining. I would like to see the fist of regulation slammed down on the back of these tech shenanigans where they know they’ll never be able to match the prices they’re starting with
HighGoldstein 6mo ago
> "We're sorry, what we were able to give you for $100/mo before now needs to be $200/mo (or more). We miscalculated/we were too generous/gave too much away for too little. It's a new technology, we are seeing a ton of demand, we are trying to run a business, hope you understand. If you don't want it, don't pay for it." Anthropic's thing has always been that they are perceived as slightly ahead of the competition, if they 2X their pricing then the competition that used to be "slightly worse" suddenly becomes an absolute bargain and guts their user base.

schmookeeg 6mo ago

This is my take too, although I'm not prepared for a max400 reality to replace the max200, but... I hate all of the whingeing. Piggies at the buffet line seem to be the loudest on this subject.

73738488484 6mo ago

It is one thing to pay 100 a month to make calendar apps for your linkedin and birds on bicycles to get invited to talks, paying 200 HOWEVER

sunnybeetroot 6mo ago
If we didn’t have the birds on bicycles, how would we know the models are getting better?

oorza 6mo ago

Are we at the point where there are external constraints that cash can't solve?

jazzyjackson 6mo ago
can't tell if you're being facetious but yes, there's not enough cash in the world to double energy/silicon fab capacity in a year. Infrastructure takes time, hardware is hard, and you have to be willing to bet that the demand will be there 5 years from now to make an investment today.
- killingtime74 6mo ago
  Until one has the entire supply of world GPU production, cash can solve it by out bidding others
  - wyre 6mo ago
    TSMC would never allow all of their output to only one customer. You have an over simplified view of this.
- kevin_thibedeau 6mo ago
  One could always make existing infrastructure more efficient. Nothing better than post-mature optimization.

raw_anon_1111 6mo ago

Just put everyone on pay per use with the API and rip the band aid off.

coldtea 6mo ago
Even the pay per use is heavily VC subsidied at current prices.
- raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
  All indications are that inference for API use is margin positive for Open AI and Anthropic not the subscription. It will basically cut the hobbyist out and entrench large corporations that can pay the real costs. If that happened and I was working for myself, I would just buy the beefiest computer I could finance and do everything locally.

djeastm 6mo ago

I would understand the move, but boy would it play right into the "AI is only here to make the rich even richer" feeling wouldn't it?

NateEag 6mo ago
If I strain really hard, I can come up with a reason why it might play into such a narrative. /s

squeegmeister 6mo ago

I wish they would too. I’d respect them more for the transparency. I think everyone’s enshitiffication sensors have rightly been dialed up over the years. So without explanations for the regressions it just feels like another example

theonemind 6mo ago

Honestly, I wish they couldn’t subsidize with VC cash and such and offer below cost to begin with. Like I wish it were illegal. Basically this allows things like Uber, more or less putting taxis out of business and then being worse than what they replaced. I’d like to see a lot more than entitled whining. I would like to see the fist of regulation slammed down on the back of these tech shenanigans where they know they’ll never be able to match the prices they’re starting with

HighGoldstein 6mo ago

> "We're sorry, what we were able to give you for $100/mo before now needs to be $200/mo (or more). We miscalculated/we were too generous/gave too much away for too little. It's a new technology, we are seeing a ton of demand, we are trying to run a business, hope you understand. If you don't want it, don't pay for it." Anthropic's thing has always been that they are perceived as slightly ahead of the competition, if they 2X their pricing then the competition that used to be "slightly worse" suddenly becomes an absolute bargain and guts their user base.