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The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Pirates would rather not be blocked, so they create a new, disposable webs
by michaelt 6mo ago
The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games.
Pirates would rather not be blocked, so they create a new, disposable website for every game. Any blocking must happen fast.
Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked.
The courts would rather not create a special fast lane through the courts, just to resolve a squabble between two huge corporations.
- n6242 6mo ago> The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Funny enough, I work in IT and I've had to use a VPN to be able to do my job when soccer is on, but my two non-tech-savy family members that do watch soccer using pirate livestreams say that they've never had any issues with blocked streams.
- spwa4 6mo agoBut you must realize, the alternative to this is that some very wealthy Spanish companies ... lose a small amount of money. Surely you understand now. Go about your business, poor person.
- ryandrake 6mo agoThey don't even "lose a small amount of money." They simply gain less money than usual for a short period of time. Think of how rough that is for them.
- necovek 6mo agoI think it's even that they "gain less money than they could if everyone watching illegally would pay for it when they could not watch illegally" (that's usually how companies crying "piracy" calculate "losses" — "let's assume everyone watching illegally would certainly still watch it and pay the full price").
- joquarky 6mo agoI once remember reading an article about shareholders selling off a stock because the rate of increase in profit had slowed.
- fireant 6mo agoThere is nothing wrong with that. Stock price is based on perceived future value , not current company profits.
- array_key_first 6mo agoArguably they even gain more money in the long run, because more people have access to their entertainment and they have more opportunities to form life long connections with consumers.
- shiroiuma 6mo agoThis isn't quite right either. It's "they gain less money than they might potentially gain if piracy weren't physically possible". If the piracy avenues didn't exist, how many people would actually pay full price to the legitimate sources, and how many people would simply go without?
- hunterpayne 6mo agoIn all fairness, the Spanish economy is a mine, a farm and a soccer league in a trenchcoat. Better than Ireland which is 2 tax shelters in a trenchcoat, but not by much. Not surprisingly, they are the 2 most left leaning countries in Europe. To be fair, they had an actual fascist government in Spain for several decades and there were atrocities committed.
- cool_dude85 6mo agoIreland, the country with 2 center right parties that differ with regards to patronage networks and political history from 1940, is one of the most left-wing leaning countries in Europe?
- mghackerlady 6mo agoEh, ireland is unique in that it has a centre-right coalition making it de facto one party. The main opposition, Sinn Fein, is about the same size as Fine Gael and Fianna Fail and might overtake Fine Gael at some point
- cool_dude85 6mo agoRight. So, no left wing party, not even a center left party, has been in power in Ireland in its history. But I'm supposed to believe that it's one of the most left wing countries in Europe?
- mghackerlady 6mo agoin spirit it is, at least at its core. The irish revolution and civil war had strong socialist undertones
- KAMSPioneer 6mo agoI work in IT and have found that the issue impacts my work but not my ability to stream sports from sites of questionable legality. Of course, I don't pirate La Liga matches but that's primarily because I don't give a shit about soccer. But the point is that the measure does more to block legitimate use than illegitimate (in my experience). And next they want to go after VPNs. Wonderful.
- fc417fc802 6mo agoBut think of the children ... and futbol!
- miohtama 6mo agoThink of all political donations
- cdelsolar 6mo agosoccer is awesome and it is incorrect to not "give a shit" about soccer
- lentil_soup 6mo ago> Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked. why would they? > squabble between two huge corporations I think this is just LaLiga using it's cultural and economical power, don't think Cloudflare or the courts should be making exceptions just so they can control how people watch football
- gruez 6mo ago>why would they? Plenty of companies proactively take action against shady users, even if not 100% required under law. Youtube has content id, social media companies have "community guidelines", and ISPs have AUPs.
- mlyle 6mo ago> why would they? Well, in this case, the alternative is all of Spain intermittently blocking lots of Cloudflare. But if Cloudflare bows to Spain in this case, every jurisdiction will want to pile up lots of special case rules for Cloudflare to try and implement.
- pxc 6mo agoLaLiga isn't Cloudflare's customer. They have no relationship. So why would Cloudflare rework their infrastructure just to instrument rapid blocking at their own expense as a favor to LaLiga? And if they don't, ISPs just break the Internet for each soccer match? This is a kind of coercion that makes no sense. Cloudflare has no obligation like this to LaLiga (and neither would a Spanish domestic CDN!).
- mlyle 6mo agoThe reason why entities comply with the wishes of courts is because there's consequences if they don't. Consequences like being filtered.
- pxc 6mo agoCloudflare has not in fact refused to comply with any court orders! The very thing at issue is that LaLiga wants Cloudflare to do censorship on their behalf that Cloudflare, who has no contractual relationship with LaLiga, is not required to do by any legal framework in Spain or the US. Cloudflare literally wasn't even a party to the ruling by which LaLiga has been compelling Spanish ISPs to do the IP-level blocking. They're just an affected third-party because the blocking scheme the courts have allowed LaLiga to impose on ISPs is on a per-IP basis. Spain hasn't asked Cloudflare to do anything. Only LaLiga has acted like Cloudflare owes them a huge, expensive rework of their CDN's architecture for the purpose of censoring things for LaLiga purely as a favor to LaLiga. What LaLiga has over Cloudflare isn't a court order. It's a protection racket, or maybe a hostage situation, where court orders involving other parties are the gun held to the hostage's head.
- teaearlgraycold 6mo agoThe US is captured by the Israeli lobby. Spain is captured by the football lobby.
- Pay08 6mo agoSo what, do they just block a range of IP addresses and are then done with it?
- swiftcoder 6mo agotechnically, LaLiga themselves doesn't even do the blocking. They have a court order from some years ago that allows them to compel all the individual ISPs to block any IP addresses they specify, with no oversight or review
- bartread 6mo agoThis must negatively impact a huge number of businesses. Is there no move for them to all get together to take legal action against LaLiga to stop them doing this?
- miohtama 6mo agoThink of the all political donations this would lose
- hunterpayne 6mo agoThis is the country that takes a 2 hour nap every day. They also have a sleeping contest every year with a winner and everything. And Spain isn't hot like Mexico where folks take 2 hours off in the topically heat and make it up for it in the evening because that's more efficient.
- doetoe 6mo agoHave you ever spoken to a person from Spain?
- swiftcoder 6mo agoor been to the south of Spain in summertime - it may not be Mexico-hot, but it's no picnic