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To be clear they weren’t banned from Claude usage, they were required to use the API and API rates rather than Claude Max tokens. Claude code uses a bunch if b

by brookst 7mo ago

To be clear they weren’t banned from Claude usage, they were required to use the API and API rates rather than Claude Max tokens. Claude code uses a bunch if best practices to maximize cache hit rate. Third party harnesses are hit or miss, so often use a lot more tokens for the same task.

ledauphin 7mo ago
nah this doesn't explain it. most of the users of those third party harnesses care just as much about hitting cache and getting more usage.
- SyneRyder 7mo ago
  I'm watching a conference talk right now from 2 weeks ago: "I Hated Every Coding Agent So I Built My Own - Mario Zechner (Pi)", and in the middle he directly references this. He demonstrates in the code that OpenCode aggressively trims context, by compacting on every turn, and pruning all tool calls from the context that occurred more than 40,000 tokens ago. Seems like it could be a good strategy to squeeze more out of the context window - but by editing the oldest context, it breaks the prompt cache for the entire conversation. There is effectively no caching happening at all. https://youtu.be/Dli5slNaJu0 https://youtu.be/Dli5slNaJu0
- brookst 7mo ago
  Sure. The question is whether they have the same level of expertise and prioritization that Anthropic does.
  - siva7 7mo ago
    They are working with the same tools and knowledge like Anthropic does as Caching practices are documented. And they have as much incentive as Anthropic does to not waste compute. Can we stop acting like people who build harnesses be it Opencode oder Mario Zechners Pi are dumbfucks who don't understand caching?
lacunary 7mo ago
but claude -p is still Claude Code
- danmaz74 7mo ago
  Was something using that been banned?
  - SyneRyder 7mo ago
    Yep, that's the reason for the new Extra Credit feature in Claude Code. Some people were wiring up "Claude -p" with OpenClaw, so now Anthropic detects if the system prompt contains the phrase OpenClaw, and bills from Extra Credit if that happens: https://x.com/steipete/status/2040811558427648357 https://x.com/steipete/status/2040811558427648357 "Anthropic now blocks first-party harness use too claude -p --append-system-prompt 'A personal assistant running inside OpenClaw.' 'is clawd here?' → 400 Third-party apps now draw from your extra usage, not your plan limits. So yeah: bring your own coin "
    - Wowfunhappy 7mo ago
      https://xcancel.com/bcherny/status/2041035127430754686#m https://xcancel.com/bcherny/status/2041035127430754686#m > This is not intentional, likely an overactive abuse classifier. Looking, and working on clarifying the policy going forward.

by brookst 7mo ago

ledauphin 7mo ago

nah this doesn't explain it. most of the users of those third party harnesses care just as much about hitting cache and getting more usage.

SyneRyder 7mo ago
I'm watching a conference talk right now from 2 weeks ago: "I Hated Every Coding Agent So I Built My Own - Mario Zechner (Pi)", and in the middle he directly references this. He demonstrates in the code that OpenCode aggressively trims context, by compacting on every turn, and pruning all tool calls from the context that occurred more than 40,000 tokens ago. Seems like it could be a good strategy to squeeze more out of the context window - but by editing the oldest context, it breaks the prompt cache for the entire conversation. There is effectively no caching happening at all. https://youtu.be/Dli5slNaJu0 https://youtu.be/Dli5slNaJu0
brookst 7mo ago
Sure. The question is whether they have the same level of expertise and prioritization that Anthropic does.
- siva7 7mo ago
  They are working with the same tools and knowledge like Anthropic does as Caching practices are documented. And they have as much incentive as Anthropic does to not waste compute. Can we stop acting like people who build harnesses be it Opencode oder Mario Zechners Pi are dumbfucks who don't understand caching?

lacunary 7mo ago

but claude -p is still Claude Code

danmaz74 7mo ago
Was something using that been banned?
- SyneRyder 7mo ago
  Yep, that's the reason for the new Extra Credit feature in Claude Code. Some people were wiring up "Claude -p" with OpenClaw, so now Anthropic detects if the system prompt contains the phrase OpenClaw, and bills from Extra Credit if that happens: https://x.com/steipete/status/2040811558427648357 https://x.com/steipete/status/2040811558427648357 "Anthropic now blocks first-party harness use too claude -p --append-system-prompt 'A personal assistant running inside OpenClaw.' 'is clawd here?' → 400 Third-party apps now draw from your extra usage, not your plan limits. So yeah: bring your own coin "
  - Wowfunhappy 7mo ago
    https://xcancel.com/bcherny/status/2041035127430754686#m https://xcancel.com/bcherny/status/2041035127430754686#m > This is not intentional, likely an overactive abuse classifier. Looking, and working on clarifying the policy going forward.