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I completely agree with this sentiment. Good luck getting anything like that locked, sadly.

by SecretDreams 6mo ago

DaiPlusPlus 6mo ago
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- andrekandre 6mo ago
  there are many democrats who would block such a thing as well. historically there is always the one or two who (perhaps too conveniently?) block or water down legislation: joe lieberman against public option [0], two democrats block student debt relief [1], the dynamic duo of manchin and sinema blocking voting rights legislation and build back better [2] [3]... you don't need to blame republicans for democrats sabotaging themselves over and over. [0] https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/12/joe-liebermans-medicare-dodge/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/12/joe-liebermans-... [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/which-democrats-voted-to-block-student-debt-cancellation-biden-relief-2023-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/which-democrats-voted-to-blo... [2] https://apnews.com/article/biden-voting-rights-bill-collapses-27c888b4f9bf876520913d7036a942b0 https://apnews.com/article/biden-voting-rights-bill-collapse... [3] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/manchin-says-he-no-biden-s-build-back-better-legislation-n1286281 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/manchin-says-he-no...
  - stepanhruda 6mo ago
    If the margins weren’t so razor thin, it wouldn’t happen
  - linkregister 6mo ago
    Lieberman and Sinema are great examples of quixotic people who weren't even representing their constituents' wishes. They're legitimate targets of criticism and intra-party competition through being primaried or losing access to fund raising. Manchin also didn't represent his constituents' wishes, but in the other direction on the political axis. The Democratic caucus won many votes it otherwise would not have, if a Republican was occupying the seat. If the Democratic party is serious about gaining and holding power, it needs to accept that some seats are tenuously held. Legislators in those seats need to be able to break with the party line to satisfy their constituents. Ironically, Manchin attempted to include permitting reform, which would allow renewables and utility projects the same latitude that oil & gas projects enjoy. However, Democratic party stalwarts blocked the proposal.
  - seba_dos1 6mo ago
    The US Democratic party is a mix of conservatives, liberals and socialists, so of course it's bound to happen in scenarios where one or two votes can decide whether something gets passed.
- legostormtroopr 6mo ago
  I’m not going to let you hide behind a big word. You are publicly proposing “throwing all Republicans through a window to their death”. This isn’t normal, and it isn’t right. If we allow anyone to call for political violence, then we become numb to it. Worse still, your call to violence against Republicans gives them a call to defence, and then a call to preemptive action. “It was ok for us to shutdown HackerNews because they called for our deaths.” We shouldn’t tolerate calls to political violence from anyone. Be better.
  - pjc50 6mo ago
    "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again." (It didn't, it was just an empty threat, but calls to political violence are the currency of the day)
    - jtmarl1n 6mo ago
      That doesn’t make it right either.

I completely agree with this sentiment. Good luck getting anything like that locked, sadly.

DaiPlusPlus 6mo ago

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andrekandre 6mo ago
there are many democrats who would block such a thing as well. historically there is always the one or two who (perhaps too conveniently?) block or water down legislation: joe lieberman against public option [0], two democrats block student debt relief [1], the dynamic duo of manchin and sinema blocking voting rights legislation and build back better [2] [3]... you don't need to blame republicans for democrats sabotaging themselves over and over. [0] https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/12/joe-liebermans-medicare-dodge/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/12/joe-liebermans-... [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/which-democrats-voted-to-block-student-debt-cancellation-biden-relief-2023-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/which-democrats-voted-to-blo... [2] https://apnews.com/article/biden-voting-rights-bill-collapses-27c888b4f9bf876520913d7036a942b0 https://apnews.com/article/biden-voting-rights-bill-collapse... [3] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/manchin-says-he-no-biden-s-build-back-better-legislation-n1286281 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/manchin-says-he-no...
- stepanhruda 6mo ago
  If the margins weren’t so razor thin, it wouldn’t happen
- linkregister 6mo ago
  Lieberman and Sinema are great examples of quixotic people who weren't even representing their constituents' wishes. They're legitimate targets of criticism and intra-party competition through being primaried or losing access to fund raising. Manchin also didn't represent his constituents' wishes, but in the other direction on the political axis. The Democratic caucus won many votes it otherwise would not have, if a Republican was occupying the seat. If the Democratic party is serious about gaining and holding power, it needs to accept that some seats are tenuously held. Legislators in those seats need to be able to break with the party line to satisfy their constituents. Ironically, Manchin attempted to include permitting reform, which would allow renewables and utility projects the same latitude that oil & gas projects enjoy. However, Democratic party stalwarts blocked the proposal.
- seba_dos1 6mo ago
  The US Democratic party is a mix of conservatives, liberals and socialists, so of course it's bound to happen in scenarios where one or two votes can decide whether something gets passed.
legostormtroopr 6mo ago
I’m not going to let you hide behind a big word. You are publicly proposing “throwing all Republicans through a window to their death”. This isn’t normal, and it isn’t right. If we allow anyone to call for political violence, then we become numb to it. Worse still, your call to violence against Republicans gives them a call to defence, and then a call to preemptive action. “It was ok for us to shutdown HackerNews because they called for our deaths.” We shouldn’t tolerate calls to political violence from anyone. Be better.
- pjc50 6mo ago
  "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again." (It didn't, it was just an empty threat, but calls to political violence are the currency of the day)
  - jtmarl1n 6mo ago
    That doesn’t make it right either.