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They are likely scared of people who would run MacOS virtual desktop farms, without also buying an appropriate number of Apple machines. That’s what I would be

They are likely scared of people who would run MacOS virtual desktop farms, without also buying an appropriate number of Apple machines. That’s what I would be worried about if my primary source of income was hardware sales.

ryandrake 6mo ago
Apple had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the world of virtualization and the idea of macOS running on anything besides "metal built by Apple." They've been pretty clear for decades that they only care about customers who buy Apple aluminum and silicon.
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- woodson 6mo ago
  Well, but their customers are those that buy Apple hardware.
moondev 6mo ago
Imagine buying a mac studio with 500+ GB of memory and being limited to 2 vms.
- FireBeyond 6mo ago
  They discontinued the 512GB Studio, and the Pro is gone, so no fear there now.
  - naikrovek 6mo ago
    They still EXIST though. And I saw one the other day on the Refurbished store. They’re definitely still around. Even a 256GB model would run a load of 16GB VMs
- naikrovek 6mo ago
  Yeah that is what I was going to do until I discovered the two VM limit. I was building a MacOS GitHub Actions farm, or rather, looking into it. I had written most of the code but my inertia screeched to a halt when I discovered the two VM limit for MacOS VMs.
  - leptons 6mo ago
    You are not Apple's target market, and never will be. They don't care what you want to do with the hardware you own.
    - naikrovek 6mo ago
      No kidding.
- stephenr 6mo ago
  You realise you can run VMs for any other os right? It's a limit on running macOS not a limit on running VMs.
  - naikrovek 6mo ago
    Yes we all realize that. It’s MacOS VMs that we want to run.
    - stephenr 6mo ago
      Maybe I should have used the same dismissive tone. Imagine thinking everyone who buys a Mac and runs VMs wants to run heaps of macOS VMs.
      - naikrovek 6mo ago
        why else would you buy a mac to run VMs? arm64 hardware is cheap, x64 hardware is cheap and both of those can run as many Linux or Windows VMs as you have RAM to run.
        stephenr 6mo ago
        For me? Infrastructure simulation. Why buy a second extra machine to do testing of multi machine infrastructure configurations when my workstation can run the VMs locally? For others? I don't know that's why I think it's ridiculous to assume everyone else's use case is the same as your own.
mysteria 6mo ago
IMO they should sell appropriately priced licenses that allow the use of more VMs. Make the licenses expensive enough so that it doesn't eat into hardware sales, or explicitly prohibit VDI/virtual seats in the license agreement. Currently services like Github Actions painfully and inefficiently rack thousands of Mac Minis and run 2 VMs on each to stay within the limits. They probably wouldn't mind paying a fee to run more VMs on Mac Studios instead.

ryandrake 6mo ago

Apple had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the world of virtualization and the idea of macOS running on anything besides "metal built by Apple." They've been pretty clear for decades that they only care about customers who buy Apple aluminum and silicon.

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woodson 6mo ago
Well, but their customers are those that buy Apple hardware.

moondev 6mo ago

Imagine buying a mac studio with 500+ GB of memory and being limited to 2 vms.

FireBeyond 6mo ago
They discontinued the 512GB Studio, and the Pro is gone, so no fear there now.
- naikrovek 6mo ago
  They still EXIST though. And I saw one the other day on the Refurbished store. They’re definitely still around. Even a 256GB model would run a load of 16GB VMs
naikrovek 6mo ago
Yeah that is what I was going to do until I discovered the two VM limit. I was building a MacOS GitHub Actions farm, or rather, looking into it. I had written most of the code but my inertia screeched to a halt when I discovered the two VM limit for MacOS VMs.
- leptons 6mo ago
  You are not Apple's target market, and never will be. They don't care what you want to do with the hardware you own.
  - naikrovek 6mo ago
    No kidding.
stephenr 6mo ago
You realise you can run VMs for any other os right? It's a limit on running macOS not a limit on running VMs.
- naikrovek 6mo ago
  Yes we all realize that. It’s MacOS VMs that we want to run.
  - stephenr 6mo ago
    Maybe I should have used the same dismissive tone. Imagine thinking everyone who buys a Mac and runs VMs wants to run heaps of macOS VMs.
    - naikrovek 6mo ago
      why else would you buy a mac to run VMs? arm64 hardware is cheap, x64 hardware is cheap and both of those can run as many Linux or Windows VMs as you have RAM to run.
      - stephenr 6mo ago
        For me? Infrastructure simulation. Why buy a second extra machine to do testing of multi machine infrastructure configurations when my workstation can run the VMs locally? For others? I don't know that's why I think it's ridiculous to assume everyone else's use case is the same as your own.

mysteria 6mo ago

IMO they should sell appropriately priced licenses that allow the use of more VMs. Make the licenses expensive enough so that it doesn't eat into hardware sales, or explicitly prohibit VDI/virtual seats in the license agreement. Currently services like Github Actions painfully and inefficiently rack thousands of Mac Minis and run 2 VMs on each to stay within the limits. They probably wouldn't mind paying a fee to run more VMs on Mac Studios instead.