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>It is absolutely not ok for "some people to want to hurt" someone who is running a company that is vying for contracts from a democratically elected government
by hax0ron3 6mo ago
>It is absolutely not ok for "some people to want to hurt" someone who is running a company that is vying for contracts from a democratically elected government's defense department.
Why though?
- zepolen 6mo agoBecause government violence is not the same as individual violence!
- hax0ron3 6mo agoBut it is the same. Better and more stable for society than individual vigilantism? Yes, generally speaking it is. But still essentially the same thing, just done through a different process.
- xg15 6mo agoI'm getting increasingly creeped out by the mental distinction that people seem to make between "warfare" and other kind of violence, but this is the first time someone argued that explicitly.
- AlexeyBelov 6mo agoI think this was a sarcastic remark
- zepolen 6mo agoYou're right but it seems there's no room for sarcasm in a place full of autism...
- davemp 6mo agoI’m falling into the Socratic hole [0], but in a modern civil society there is a justice system through which people seek recourse. This has all sorts of desirable effects for societies. Please educate yourself on the basics or at least put more effort in before participating in conversations. [0]: It’s easy to abuse the Socratic method and devolve a discussion into one of first principles. It’s extremely tiresome and a huge waste of everyone’s time.
- hax0ron3 6mo agoI'm a big fan of the justice system. Can't have a functioning civilization without it. And yes, violence that is used by a democratic society following regulations is generally speaking better for society than arbitrary vigilantism motivated by personal beliefs is. But I'm not arguing that it would necessarily be good to kill Sam Altman. I'm just arguing that it's ok to find the idea of his death pleasing. I find the idea of killing all sorts of people pleasing without necessarily thinking that actually doing it would be good for society overall.
- hirvi74 6mo ago> I'm a big fan of the justice system. I've worked in the system for decade now. and I cannot agree. I feel nothing but regret, shame, and guilt most days. It's a cruel and vindictive system. Lady Justice carries a sword for a reason, and she loves to swing it. I commonly refer to our system as the legal system for there is little justice.
- hax0ron3 6mo agoFair point. I mean, I'm a big fan of it in theory. Not so much in reality. It's still better than having no justice system.
- MiguelX413 6mo agoI wish we had a just justice system. But unfortunately, we just don't. Look at Kissinger's peaceful unprosecuted death.
- hirvi74 6mo agoI concur. I think the true issue is that no system can solve these types of problems. There will always be people who benefit more than others, and there will always be people who slip through the cracks. I think our system is not the worst system available by any means. I just wish there was a bit more focus on impartiality and rehabilitation. I am not so sure why there is an obsession with punishment when data suggests it does not really deter people.