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Not to sell Tart short (it is quite good), but it's "just" a wrapper around Virtualization.framework with a few extra pieces. This is the kind of thing that Cod

by jen20 6mo ago

Not to sell Tart short (it is quite good), but it's "just" a wrapper around Virtualization.framework with a few extra pieces. This is the kind of thing that Codex driven by experts _should_ be able to build very easily.

TheTaytay 6mo ago
Yes, but it’s also currently the best one. They have OCI compatible Mac VM images that are prebuilt. It’s quite good.
zackify 6mo ago
interesting that was what i thought this was, it keeps boggling my mind the sums being paid for what really could be built by experienced devs on their own teams
- MaxLeiter 6mo ago
  Short term: they don’t need devs to build it, it’s already built Long term: they now have experienced dev(s?) to build their next products and features
  - jen20 6mo ago
    I agree that is the reality of why this has happened, but it is completely at odds with the story that that AI maximalists are telling the world, which is that software development is over because LLMs can do anything with a couple of specs and a Ralph Wiggum loop.
    - MaxLeiter 6mo ago
      Eh, we’re approaching that world (I am "an AI maximalist", I guess) But someone with the knowledge to guide an AI will have more success than someone without, at least today. I don’t think that will necessarily be true in a year or two.
- stephbook 6mo ago
  You don't want a 40-men strong team that needs to be managed, you want 2 guys that already did it and are hungry for the next 10 problems all on their own. "Hey guys, make our agents verify tool use before responding to the user. See you in 2 months. Here's 2$b"
w10-1 6mo ago
Agreed. The benefit from not having anyone else or any partial (container) solutions in the computing chain is huge for secure isolation. Getting rid of the intermediary solves a universe of possible problems. That said, I've been free-riding on tart because they've often surfaced issues I needed to address. Free riders like me are possibly the reason these companies can't make their own way.

by jen20 6mo ago

TheTaytay 6mo ago

Yes, but it’s also currently the best one. They have OCI compatible Mac VM images that are prebuilt. It’s quite good.

zackify 6mo ago

interesting that was what i thought this was, it keeps boggling my mind the sums being paid for what really could be built by experienced devs on their own teams

MaxLeiter 6mo ago
Short term: they don’t need devs to build it, it’s already built Long term: they now have experienced dev(s?) to build their next products and features
- jen20 6mo ago
  I agree that is the reality of why this has happened, but it is completely at odds with the story that that AI maximalists are telling the world, which is that software development is over because LLMs can do anything with a couple of specs and a Ralph Wiggum loop.
  - MaxLeiter 6mo ago
    Eh, we’re approaching that world (I am "an AI maximalist", I guess) But someone with the knowledge to guide an AI will have more success than someone without, at least today. I don’t think that will necessarily be true in a year or two.
stephbook 6mo ago
You don't want a 40-men strong team that needs to be managed, you want 2 guys that already did it and are hungry for the next 10 problems all on their own. "Hey guys, make our agents verify tool use before responding to the user. See you in 2 months. Here's 2$b"

w10-1 6mo ago

Agreed. The benefit from not having anyone else or any partial (container) solutions in the computing chain is huge for secure isolation. Getting rid of the intermediary solves a universe of possible problems. That said, I've been free-riding on tart because they've often surfaced issues I needed to address. Free riders like me are possibly the reason these companies can't make their own way.