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The end of Star Trek is now official

14 points by emptybits 6mo ago

emptybits 6mo ago
"There is no Star Trek in production or greenlit for the first time in nearly a decade, and the sets for Star Trek: Strange New Worlds and Starfleet Academy coming down means it's truly the end of an era." There are episodes yet to be broadcast, but still ... :'-(
- emedchill 6mo ago
  Not true. "Star Trek: United" is in production (just not with Secret Hideout).
  - jfengel 6mo ago
    I think that's still just a rumor, but a very loud rumor.
- ThrowawayR2 6mo ago
  I will give Strange New Worlds credit for being closer to the spirit of Star Trek than anything in recent memory but the last genuine Star Trek was Voyager ending in 2001, maybe extending to Enterprise if one is feeling generous. Everything after that was soulless monetization of a franchise by people who didn't understand it. "He's dead, Jim" and the remains are completely desiccated.
Bender 6mo ago
The end of Star Trek is now official Good. Let it die. It's hard for me to say where exactly Star Trek went off the rails but everything of recent has been complete trash in my opinion as a moderate Star Trek fan. Some say everything from the Kelvin timeline but I did enjoy Picard S1/S3 despite the inconsistencies. Picard season 2 should not have existed at all. Strange New Worlds is not Star Trek. The captain is basically some random masculine man that is disrespected through the entire show. He exhibits no characteristics of a Starfleet captain beyond the assign rank and uniform. Starfleet Academy is some woke fever dream that never should have been funded, again in my opinion. I believe that iteration is a mockery of the Star Trek franchise. Current Earth politics do not belong in shows that are supposed to provide people escapism and entertainment. Sell the franchise to people that can respect the franchise, the fan base, that know the lore and that can take it seriously. These are just my opinions for whatever that is worth.
- jonjacky 6mo ago
  Starfleet Academy is some woke fever dream ... This is entirely in keeping with the Star Trek tradition. It had a multiracial cast and female officers in 1966, when that was quite unusual in a TV show.
  - Bender 6mo ago
    I never suggested it was about race or gender. Yes the original Star Trek had a cast member that was flamboyant in the show, gay in real life and came out before it was cool or even safe for that matter and I had nothing but respect for him at the time and now. The fans respected him without a need for pushing agendas in the show. For me it is about the dynamics between characters and the disrespect for the uniform, disrespect for Starfleet in some odd type of defiance of perceived patriarchy. The recent shows are not Star Trek. They are trying to retcon Starfleet decorum, Starfleet regulation and that barely even begins to touch on the issues they are introducing. The writers are trying to suggest a military could operate with everyone just being cool buds a situation that would quickly devolve into utter chaos. That is not science fiction but rather fantasy fiction. The "Captain" in Academy flagrantly disrespects their own command position so hard it's just a slap in the face to the audience and the franchise. Being true to Star Trek word would have gotten back to command and she would have been removed, decommissioned and memories of Star Fleet secrets wiped from her mind a capability that both the Federation and the Romulans possessed.
  - bad_username 6mo ago
    > It had a multiracial cast and female officers. True. And yet it was not woke.
- b3ing 6mo ago
  Sci-fi often makes you question modern day society, Star Trek did that in many ways
- dleary 6mo ago
  > Current Earth politics do not belong in shows You’re really displaying some ignorance here. Star Trek has always has a political slant. The basic premise is about a bunch of people living in a progressive sci-fi utopia with UBI. The show is constantly preaching unity and openness. It is explicitly anti-Fascist in many episodes. It has a multiracial cast with a flamboyant “closeted” gay actor. And most importantly, it famously had the first interracial kiss on television. The show was banned (or, more minorly, the specific episode was banned) in several places in the South because of that.
stevenalowe 6mo ago
And thus so is my Paramount subscription
- b0rtb0rt 6mo ago
  paramount still has the old star treks which were the only ones worth watching in the first place
krapp 6mo ago
Good. The universe of Trek feels too old, too bound by franchise requirements and lore. The Federation is a galactic empire and all of the threats have either been folded in or rendered pathetic (like the Borg.) There's no mystery left, nothing to explore. Everyone hates Picard and for good reason as it squandered so much potential, but at least it was trying something new. They even made the Borg scary again (until they all got shoved out of an airlock so Seven of Nine could crash the cube. Women drivers amirite?) I think it's time that Trek and Star Wars get mothballed for a generation or two, then maybe reboot them like Doctor Who, when there aren't enough original fans around to complain about "getting it wrong." I'd like to see a version of Trek that stays within the style of TOS. Maybe the Federation exists but it's a minor alliance insignificant to the rest of the galaxy and humans are an upstart power contending with vast and ancient alien empires. Technology is advanced but limited and comprehensible. No infinite free energy, no transporter clones, no time travel, no Moriarty. No Q! Humans are very much on the bottom of the galactic food chain. Do what Enterprise should have done but was never brave enough to do. But more so (and I know people will disagree with me on this) I want something new, something other than yet another flagship and more planets of the week. They could have made an entire series set inside the Dyson sphere, for instance. How cool would that be? Or a series about settling a colony near the neutral zone, or archaeologists tracking down powerful alien artifacts. Or something about the Fenris Rangers, and society outside of the Federation. These franchises need new ideas and new blood, and it's time we moved on to other things.

14 points by emptybits 6mo ago

"There is no Star Trek in production or greenlit for the first time in nearly a decade, and the sets for Star Trek: Strange New Worlds and Starfleet Academy coming down means it's truly the end of an era." There are episodes yet to be broadcast, but still ... :'-(

emedchill 6mo ago
Not true. "Star Trek: United" is in production (just not with Secret Hideout).
- jfengel 6mo ago
  I think that's still just a rumor, but a very loud rumor.
ThrowawayR2 6mo ago
I will give Strange New Worlds credit for being closer to the spirit of Star Trek than anything in recent memory but the last genuine Star Trek was Voyager ending in 2001, maybe extending to Enterprise if one is feeling generous. Everything after that was soulless monetization of a franchise by people who didn't understand it. "He's dead, Jim" and the remains are completely desiccated.

Bender 6mo ago

The end of Star Trek is now official Good. Let it die. It's hard for me to say where exactly Star Trek went off the rails but everything of recent has been complete trash in my opinion as a moderate Star Trek fan. Some say everything from the Kelvin timeline but I did enjoy Picard S1/S3 despite the inconsistencies. Picard season 2 should not have existed at all. Strange New Worlds is not Star Trek. The captain is basically some random masculine man that is disrespected through the entire show. He exhibits no characteristics of a Starfleet captain beyond the assign rank and uniform. Starfleet Academy is some woke fever dream that never should have been funded, again in my opinion. I believe that iteration is a mockery of the Star Trek franchise. Current Earth politics do not belong in shows that are supposed to provide people escapism and entertainment. Sell the franchise to people that can respect the franchise, the fan base, that know the lore and that can take it seriously. These are just my opinions for whatever that is worth.

jonjacky 6mo ago
Starfleet Academy is some woke fever dream ... This is entirely in keeping with the Star Trek tradition. It had a multiracial cast and female officers in 1966, when that was quite unusual in a TV show.
- Bender 6mo ago
  I never suggested it was about race or gender. Yes the original Star Trek had a cast member that was flamboyant in the show, gay in real life and came out before it was cool or even safe for that matter and I had nothing but respect for him at the time and now. The fans respected him without a need for pushing agendas in the show. For me it is about the dynamics between characters and the disrespect for the uniform, disrespect for Starfleet in some odd type of defiance of perceived patriarchy. The recent shows are not Star Trek. They are trying to retcon Starfleet decorum, Starfleet regulation and that barely even begins to touch on the issues they are introducing. The writers are trying to suggest a military could operate with everyone just being cool buds a situation that would quickly devolve into utter chaos. That is not science fiction but rather fantasy fiction. The "Captain" in Academy flagrantly disrespects their own command position so hard it's just a slap in the face to the audience and the franchise. Being true to Star Trek word would have gotten back to command and she would have been removed, decommissioned and memories of Star Fleet secrets wiped from her mind a capability that both the Federation and the Romulans possessed.
- bad_username 6mo ago
  > It had a multiracial cast and female officers. True. And yet it was not woke.
b3ing 6mo ago
Sci-fi often makes you question modern day society, Star Trek did that in many ways
dleary 6mo ago
> Current Earth politics do not belong in shows You’re really displaying some ignorance here. Star Trek has always has a political slant. The basic premise is about a bunch of people living in a progressive sci-fi utopia with UBI. The show is constantly preaching unity and openness. It is explicitly anti-Fascist in many episodes. It has a multiracial cast with a flamboyant “closeted” gay actor. And most importantly, it famously had the first interracial kiss on television. The show was banned (or, more minorly, the specific episode was banned) in several places in the South because of that.

stevenalowe 6mo ago

And thus so is my Paramount subscription

b0rtb0rt 6mo ago
paramount still has the old star treks which were the only ones worth watching in the first place

krapp 6mo ago

Good. The universe of Trek feels too old, too bound by franchise requirements and lore. The Federation is a galactic empire and all of the threats have either been folded in or rendered pathetic (like the Borg.) There's no mystery left, nothing to explore. Everyone hates Picard and for good reason as it squandered so much potential, but at least it was trying something new. They even made the Borg scary again (until they all got shoved out of an airlock so Seven of Nine could crash the cube. Women drivers amirite?) I think it's time that Trek and Star Wars get mothballed for a generation or two, then maybe reboot them like Doctor Who, when there aren't enough original fans around to complain about "getting it wrong." I'd like to see a version of Trek that stays within the style of TOS. Maybe the Federation exists but it's a minor alliance insignificant to the rest of the galaxy and humans are an upstart power contending with vast and ancient alien empires. Technology is advanced but limited and comprehensible. No infinite free energy, no transporter clones, no time travel, no Moriarty. No Q! Humans are very much on the bottom of the galactic food chain. Do what Enterprise should have done but was never brave enough to do. But more so (and I know people will disagree with me on this) I want something new, something other than yet another flagship and more planets of the week. They could have made an entire series set inside the Dyson sphere, for instance. How cool would that be? Or a series about settling a colony near the neutral zone, or archaeologists tracking down powerful alien artifacts. Or something about the Fenris Rangers, and society outside of the Federation. These franchises need new ideas and new blood, and it's time we moved on to other things.