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If Japanese internment worried you, you should see Europe's treatment of perceived outsiders [0] and get reallyyyy worried about the ongoing attacks [1] and rhe

If Japanese internment worried you, you should see Europe's treatment of perceived outsiders [0] and get reallyyyy worried about the ongoing attacks [1] and rhetoric [2]. I would urge extreme caution to anyone in Europe that is at risk. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Jews_from_Spain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Jews_from_Spain [1] https://www.ein.org.uk/news/home-office-remove-euss-pre-settled-status-individuals-who-have-clearly-ceased-maintain https://www.ein.org.uk/news/home-office-remove-euss-pre-sett... [2] https://www.ft.com/content/0e29224f-9d06-4315-a89f-e334ffbc6d39?syn-25a6b1a6=1 https://www.ft.com/content/0e29224f-9d06-4315-a89f-e334ffbc6... Also, what nationality do you say Elon Musk is, out of curiosity? Let's test your consistency :)

ajross 6mo ago
Didn't have "Europe is antisemitic because of the Spanish Inquisition" on my bingo card today. No one expects it, indeed.
- drstewart 6mo ago
  I have more evidence of European xenophobia if that isn't sufficient for you
  - kakacik 6mo ago
    I dont think you travel much, it would help you get more... objective opinions. But yes please show us that mighty evidence
- bootsmann 6mo ago
  The other two are ok-ish (though notably Reform is not in government and the elections are 4 years away) but yeah leading with a source from the 15th century really doesn’t support the argument.
  - TheOtherHobbes 6mo ago
    The UK Home Office decision about settled status is the fault of the UK, not the EU. The FT piece is paywalled. But two prominent members of Reform are currently in jail - one for domestic abuse, and one for treason (!) - so the party is not famous for a steely dedication to the moral high ground.
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embedding-shape 6mo ago
> Expulsion of Jews from Spain [...] On 31 March 1492, the Catholic Monarchs of Spain, King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella I of Castile, issued the Alhambra Decree, ordering all unconverted Jews to leave their kingdoms and territories by the end of July that year, unless they converted to Christianity Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but we (I live in Spain) have come a long way since 1492 (534 years ago) and if that's the most recent example you can find of "Europe's treatment of perceived outsiders" I think you yourself know that stuff like that doesn't happen today, in Europe.
- erikerikson 6mo ago
  In the UK two decades ago (admittedly not the shortest time) I heard plenty of terrible words and treatment of Pakistanis (which seemed to be used as a good enough bucket for all brown skinned people) and people with red hair. A general disdain for Continentals was a little more subdued. When I was younger France was famous for it's poor treatment of foreigners and non-francophiles. Consider all the politics and anger towards those that continue to try to cross the Mediterranean on makeshift boats or the constant complaints about "benefit thieves" who emigrate from the Eastern bloc. There are many examples and some of them are not without basis but while things have gotten less stabby-stabby there's some fairly brutal attitudes and behaviors.
  - embedding-shape 6mo ago
    > There are many examples and some of them are not without basis but while things have gotten less stabby-stabby there's some fairly brutal attitudes and behaviors. Yeah, I won't claim that everyone is treated equally or even fairly in Europe, and some places are absolutely worse than others, in many different ways. I'd still claim we no longer do "expulsions" of entire ethnoreligious groups anymore in the 21st century though, which was the initial example of why Europe today is terrible.
    - erikerikson 6mo ago
      I agree things have improved but the GP to my first post set context to: > Europe's treatment of perceived outsiders You seemed to be picking a rather narrow slice of the scope.
hdgvhicv 6mo ago
Musk collects citizenships like they’re going out of fashion. He fled South’s Africa due to not wanting to be drafted. Lieutenant Torvalds on the other hand fulfilled his service duties. Should the US and South Africa go to war it seems clear where musks loyalties would lie. Should the US and Finland go to war I suspect that Torvalds wouldn’t be as clear cut.

ajross 6mo ago

Didn't have "Europe is antisemitic because of the Spanish Inquisition" on my bingo card today. No one expects it, indeed.

drstewart 6mo ago
I have more evidence of European xenophobia if that isn't sufficient for you
- kakacik 6mo ago
  I dont think you travel much, it would help you get more... objective opinions. But yes please show us that mighty evidence
bootsmann 6mo ago
The other two are ok-ish (though notably Reform is not in government and the elections are 4 years away) but yeah leading with a source from the 15th century really doesn’t support the argument.
- TheOtherHobbes 6mo ago
  The UK Home Office decision about settled status is the fault of the UK, not the EU. The FT piece is paywalled. But two prominent members of Reform are currently in jail - one for domestic abuse, and one for treason (!) - so the party is not famous for a steely dedication to the moral high ground.

948382828528 6mo ago

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embedding-shape 6mo ago

> Expulsion of Jews from Spain [...] On 31 March 1492, the Catholic Monarchs of Spain, King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella I of Castile, issued the Alhambra Decree, ordering all unconverted Jews to leave their kingdoms and territories by the end of July that year, unless they converted to Christianity Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but we (I live in Spain) have come a long way since 1492 (534 years ago) and if that's the most recent example you can find of "Europe's treatment of perceived outsiders" I think you yourself know that stuff like that doesn't happen today, in Europe.

erikerikson 6mo ago
In the UK two decades ago (admittedly not the shortest time) I heard plenty of terrible words and treatment of Pakistanis (which seemed to be used as a good enough bucket for all brown skinned people) and people with red hair. A general disdain for Continentals was a little more subdued. When I was younger France was famous for it's poor treatment of foreigners and non-francophiles. Consider all the politics and anger towards those that continue to try to cross the Mediterranean on makeshift boats or the constant complaints about "benefit thieves" who emigrate from the Eastern bloc. There are many examples and some of them are not without basis but while things have gotten less stabby-stabby there's some fairly brutal attitudes and behaviors.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago
  > There are many examples and some of them are not without basis but while things have gotten less stabby-stabby there's some fairly brutal attitudes and behaviors. Yeah, I won't claim that everyone is treated equally or even fairly in Europe, and some places are absolutely worse than others, in many different ways. I'd still claim we no longer do "expulsions" of entire ethnoreligious groups anymore in the 21st century though, which was the initial example of why Europe today is terrible.
  - erikerikson 6mo ago
    I agree things have improved but the GP to my first post set context to: > Europe's treatment of perceived outsiders You seemed to be picking a rather narrow slice of the scope.

hdgvhicv 6mo ago

Musk collects citizenships like they’re going out of fashion. He fled South’s Africa due to not wanting to be drafted. Lieutenant Torvalds on the other hand fulfilled his service duties. Should the US and South Africa go to war it seems clear where musks loyalties would lie. Should the US and Finland go to war I suspect that Torvalds wouldn’t be as clear cut.