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Finally Europe grew a spine

by gsky 6mo ago

bpavuk 6mo ago
still growing, you mean. France is, however significant, just one country. and then there is broader push to FOSS inside Europe, as well as Europe's own sovereign solutions. some attempts were failed, some were successful, but everything is still in progress EDIT: on a second read, this sounded too diminishing of this achievement than I intended. the point is that it's not fully done yet, although it is remarkable that there is, finally, a political will for such actions
- sdoering 6mo ago
  Sadly back in the day the city of Munich caved in (hosting Germany's MS headquarter). They had a good good run with their Linux. But the state of Schleswig-Holstein is pushing for more open source and switching to Libre Office (80% or so done). They talk about that on their Open Source Initiative page [1]. [1]: https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/DE/landesregierung/themen/digitalisierung/linux-plus1 https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/DE/landesregierung/themen/... (German only)
breppp 6mo ago
Less so against China or Iran, presumably Europe will find itself on the "right side of history" yet again soon enough
- redsocksfan45 6mo ago
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- embedding-shape 6mo ago
  At least so against Israel and other countries actively engaging in open warfare against sovereign nations, as a European I'm very happy we're not getting pulled into those senseless conflicts.
- watwut 6mo ago
  Europe does not need to join war of the Trumps whim just because king demands it.
  - breppp 6mo ago
    I am talking about actively hindering the war effort while getting closer to Iran, a country that repeatedly kidnapped europeans, or caving in for China again and again. Europe has always managed to make the wrong choice historically, and that's how it still continues
    - bigfudge 6mo ago
      How has Europe actively hindered the war effort? Not volunteering for demining duties under fire in a very narrow straight, and preferring diplomatic solutions seems eminently sensible, and not at all the same as 'getting closer to Iran'. Why doesn't the US send frigates and destroyers into the straight to open it and escort ships out? The answer is that it's pretty high risk, and not one worth taking (unless you are Trump and looking to save face).
      - breppp 6mo ago
        Generally speaking: Spain, Italy, Austria, France and Switzerland prevented the US from using its airbases or airspaces to transit their planes to the Middle East. The UK at times also blocked use of its air bases. France probably cut a separate deal with Iran, evident from the release of the French hostages, the call Macron had with the Iranian FM and the fact Iran lets their ship cross
        bigfudge 6mo ago
        At the beginning it was fairly clear to everyone outside the US that this was an illegal war of aggression. That we waited until Iran had struck Israel and gulf countries was at least a fig leaf for the pretence we were doing something reasonable. What source do you have for French ships being allowed to pass?
anon291 6mo ago
They have a committee to decide whether to plan to grow one. Maybe once they're done funding the war in Ukraine, they'll make a decision.
Leomuck 6mo ago
Europe as a whole doesn't have or not have a spine.. it'a a huge, complicated accumulation of interests with an insane bureaucratic apparatus behind it.
- bigfudge 6mo ago
  The bureaucratic apparatus in the EU has a reputation for being complex, but a lot of that seems to be bullshit stories written by people like Johnson in the 20 years leading up to Brexit. I've yet to see much evidence it's more complex or corrupt than Federal government in the US, for example.

Finally Europe grew a spine

by gsky 6mo ago

Finally Europe grew a spine

still growing, you mean. France is, however significant, just one country. and then there is broader push to FOSS inside Europe, as well as Europe's own sovereign solutions. some attempts were failed, some were successful, but everything is still in progress EDIT: on a second read, this sounded too diminishing of this achievement than I intended. the point is that it's not fully done yet, although it is remarkable that there is, finally, a political will for such actions

sdoering 6mo ago
Sadly back in the day the city of Munich caved in (hosting Germany's MS headquarter). They had a good good run with their Linux. But the state of Schleswig-Holstein is pushing for more open source and switching to Libre Office (80% or so done). They talk about that on their Open Source Initiative page [1]. [1]: https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/DE/landesregierung/themen/digitalisierung/linux-plus1 https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/DE/landesregierung/themen/... (German only)

breppp 6mo ago

Less so against China or Iran, presumably Europe will find itself on the "right side of history" yet again soon enough

redsocksfan45 6mo ago
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embedding-shape 6mo ago
At least so against Israel and other countries actively engaging in open warfare against sovereign nations, as a European I'm very happy we're not getting pulled into those senseless conflicts.
watwut 6mo ago
Europe does not need to join war of the Trumps whim just because king demands it.
- breppp 6mo ago
  I am talking about actively hindering the war effort while getting closer to Iran, a country that repeatedly kidnapped europeans, or caving in for China again and again. Europe has always managed to make the wrong choice historically, and that's how it still continues
  - bigfudge 6mo ago
    How has Europe actively hindered the war effort? Not volunteering for demining duties under fire in a very narrow straight, and preferring diplomatic solutions seems eminently sensible, and not at all the same as 'getting closer to Iran'. Why doesn't the US send frigates and destroyers into the straight to open it and escort ships out? The answer is that it's pretty high risk, and not one worth taking (unless you are Trump and looking to save face).
    - breppp 6mo ago
      Generally speaking: Spain, Italy, Austria, France and Switzerland prevented the US from using its airbases or airspaces to transit their planes to the Middle East. The UK at times also blocked use of its air bases. France probably cut a separate deal with Iran, evident from the release of the French hostages, the call Macron had with the Iranian FM and the fact Iran lets their ship cross
      - bigfudge 6mo ago
        At the beginning it was fairly clear to everyone outside the US that this was an illegal war of aggression. That we waited until Iran had struck Israel and gulf countries was at least a fig leaf for the pretence we were doing something reasonable. What source do you have for French ships being allowed to pass?

anon291 6mo ago

They have a committee to decide whether to plan to grow one. Maybe once they're done funding the war in Ukraine, they'll make a decision.

Leomuck 6mo ago

Europe as a whole doesn't have or not have a spine.. it'a a huge, complicated accumulation of interests with an insane bureaucratic apparatus behind it.

bigfudge 6mo ago
The bureaucratic apparatus in the EU has a reputation for being complex, but a lot of that seems to be bullshit stories written by people like Johnson in the 20 years leading up to Brexit. I've yet to see much evidence it's more complex or corrupt than Federal government in the US, for example.