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Are there any longer or more generic than this: > For any nonviolent offenses against the United States which they may have committed or taken part in during t

by koolba 6mo ago

Are there any longer or more generic than this: > For any nonviolent offenses against the United States which they may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1 2014 through the date of this pardon (JAN 19, 2025). https://pardonned.com/pardon/details/biden-family/ https://pardonned.com/pardon/details/biden-family/ That’s 11+ years with no detail or description.

vidluther 6mo ago
So this was the first time (i think) anyone got a preemptive pardon, the actual warrant on the DOJ website says what it says.. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline Will have to crunch through the offenses in the db and see if anything else like this shows up.
- lelandfe 6mo ago
  Preemptive meaning they hadn't yet been convicted. Nixon was pardoned by Ford in this manner (for "all offenses against the United States" between Jan. 20, 1969—Aug. 9, 1974). Carter preemptively mass-pardoned draft dodgers, etc.
  - vidluther 6mo ago
    I did not know that. Thanks for the lesson.
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ceejayoz 6mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-4311-granting-pardon-richard-nixon https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-4311-... > Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974. Not quite as long, but much more significant. (No violence exception, the criminal was the President, and they were crimes against the entire country, not some random drug/tax charges.)
- gcanyon 6mo ago
  Ford did real damage that day.
  - Pikamander2 6mo ago
    The real embarrassment is how little effort there's been to limit/reform the pardon system since then. Pardons have valid uses, but it's wild that a single person can unilaterally pardon donators, family members, former presidents, etc, without needing so much as a simple majority confirmation vote in the House or Senate. The questionable pardons that we've seen over the last few years (and the Nixon pardon) are just the tip of iceberg in terms of how badly they could be abused. I'd imagine it won't be long until we see a president issue a preemptive pardon to themself at the end of their term, because there's nothing in the constitution that says they can't.
    - Ray20 6mo ago
      Isn't that the whole point of all these pardon things? To reduce incentives to usurp power to avoid responsibility by providing less destructive for the political system ways to avoid responsibility.
      - ceejayoz 6mo ago
        They're a release valve for "the system fucked up and permitted an injustice". Avoiding responsibility isn't the goal, and shouldn't be possible.
      - cjbgkagh 6mo ago
        Or concretely, would the Israeli wars end sooner if Netanyahu was pardoned of all crimes? Would Kim Jong Un consider giving up his position if he could be pardoned, or at least credibly believe that he could live a life in luxurious exile? I don’t know the answer to either of those questions, but I do think letting some people get away with crimes with witness immunity can make it much more difficult for criminals to organize as the optimum move is to defect before anyone else does. Which is why I think elite blackmail focuses on unforgivable deeds.
whoiskevin 6mo ago
Look at what the Trump administration has done with the DOJ pursuing unwarranted indictments against anyone Trump doesn't like. All getting thrown out so far. And you lead with questioning why one of his constant targets would pardon his family? The bigger question is why this isn't more outrage at the GOP attempts to find something on Biden or Clinton. They have been wasting tax dollars while Coomer "investigates" for something that he has never been able to prove. I'd have pardoned everyone around me given that constant sustained and terrible attack. All the while the Trump grift machine continues without so much as a blink.
- Jerrrrrrrry 6mo ago
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- GorbachevyChase 6mo ago
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  - ceejayoz 6mo ago
    > So two wrongs have made a right in this case? No, it was right to consider the possibility that Trump would violate the norms here. Letting the President right unaddressed wrongs is the entire reason the pardon power exists. His own current Chief of Staff has similar concerns, and grand juries seem to be taking the same position; that these are just revenge. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/16/us/politics/trump-susie-wiles.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/16/us/politics/trump-susie-w... "Susie Wiles, the White House chief of staff, told an interviewer that she forged a “loose agreement” with Mr. Trump to stop focusing after three months on punishing antagonists, an effort that evidently did not succeed. While she insisted that Mr. Trump is not constantly thinking about retribution, she said that “when there’s an opportunity, he will go for it.”"
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strathmeyer 6mo ago
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laidoffamazon 6mo ago
Correct, as he should have
throwaway85825 6mo ago
That's when I learned you can be pardoned for future crime since the expiration was end of day. There's nothing stopping a president from signing blanket future pardons with a 100 year expiry. I'm amazed there wasnt any discussion when it happened.

by koolba 6mo ago

vidluther 6mo ago

So this was the first time (i think) anyone got a preemptive pardon, the actual warrant on the DOJ website says what it says.. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline Will have to crunch through the offenses in the db and see if anything else like this shows up.

lelandfe 6mo ago
Preemptive meaning they hadn't yet been convicted. Nixon was pardoned by Ford in this manner (for "all offenses against the United States" between Jan. 20, 1969—Aug. 9, 1974). Carter preemptively mass-pardoned draft dodgers, etc.
- vidluther 6mo ago
  I did not know that. Thanks for the lesson.
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ceejayoz 6mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-4311-granting-pardon-richard-nixon https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-4311-... > Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974. Not quite as long, but much more significant. (No violence exception, the criminal was the President, and they were crimes against the entire country, not some random drug/tax charges.)

gcanyon 6mo ago
Ford did real damage that day.
- Pikamander2 6mo ago
  The real embarrassment is how little effort there's been to limit/reform the pardon system since then. Pardons have valid uses, but it's wild that a single person can unilaterally pardon donators, family members, former presidents, etc, without needing so much as a simple majority confirmation vote in the House or Senate. The questionable pardons that we've seen over the last few years (and the Nixon pardon) are just the tip of iceberg in terms of how badly they could be abused. I'd imagine it won't be long until we see a president issue a preemptive pardon to themself at the end of their term, because there's nothing in the constitution that says they can't.
  - Ray20 6mo ago
    Isn't that the whole point of all these pardon things? To reduce incentives to usurp power to avoid responsibility by providing less destructive for the political system ways to avoid responsibility.
    - ceejayoz 6mo ago
      They're a release valve for "the system fucked up and permitted an injustice". Avoiding responsibility isn't the goal, and shouldn't be possible.
    - cjbgkagh 6mo ago
      Or concretely, would the Israeli wars end sooner if Netanyahu was pardoned of all crimes? Would Kim Jong Un consider giving up his position if he could be pardoned, or at least credibly believe that he could live a life in luxurious exile? I don’t know the answer to either of those questions, but I do think letting some people get away with crimes with witness immunity can make it much more difficult for criminals to organize as the optimum move is to defect before anyone else does. Which is why I think elite blackmail focuses on unforgivable deeds.

whoiskevin 6mo ago

Look at what the Trump administration has done with the DOJ pursuing unwarranted indictments against anyone Trump doesn't like. All getting thrown out so far. And you lead with questioning why one of his constant targets would pardon his family? The bigger question is why this isn't more outrage at the GOP attempts to find something on Biden or Clinton. They have been wasting tax dollars while Coomer "investigates" for something that he has never been able to prove. I'd have pardoned everyone around me given that constant sustained and terrible attack. All the while the Trump grift machine continues without so much as a blink.

Jerrrrrrrry 6mo ago
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GorbachevyChase 6mo ago
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- ceejayoz 6mo ago
  > So two wrongs have made a right in this case? No, it was right to consider the possibility that Trump would violate the norms here. Letting the President right unaddressed wrongs is the entire reason the pardon power exists. His own current Chief of Staff has similar concerns, and grand juries seem to be taking the same position; that these are just revenge. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/16/us/politics/trump-susie-wiles.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/16/us/politics/trump-susie-w... "Susie Wiles, the White House chief of staff, told an interviewer that she forged a “loose agreement” with Mr. Trump to stop focusing after three months on punishing antagonists, an effort that evidently did not succeed. While she insisted that Mr. Trump is not constantly thinking about retribution, she said that “when there’s an opportunity, he will go for it.”"
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strathmeyer 6mo ago

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laidoffamazon 6mo ago

Correct, as he should have

throwaway85825 6mo ago

That's when I learned you can be pardoned for future crime since the expiration was end of day. There's nothing stopping a president from signing blanket future pardons with a 100 year expiry. I'm amazed there wasnt any discussion when it happened.