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"I'm not saying violence is okay, but violence is okay"

dwroberts 6mo ago
What I am saying is if you involve yourself in violence (and directly profiting from violence) you should not be allowed to act shocked when that same violence turns up on your doorstep
pydry 6mo ago
Not ok, but anybody who is ok with terrorizing, say, an Iranian civilian nuclear scientist ought to be equally indifferent to this.
- arrowsmith 6mo ago
  I’m not indifferent to either of them, but if you equate American tech executives with agents of the Iranian nuclear programme then I don’t care what you have to say on any subject ever
  - mvc 6mo ago
    What about executives/scientists on the US nuclear programme?
  - Arodex 6mo ago
    Altman and other AI evangelists spent their time equating AI with nuclear technology. They make the comparison all the time.
    - pydry 6mo ago
      I think the issue may be less about the precise comparison and more about https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/643/825/18c.png https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/643/825/18c...
  - pillefitz 6mo ago
    The former are doing way more damage to civilization
    - arrowsmith 6mo ago
      Give the latter a nuclear bomb and see how true that stays
      - pydry 6mo ago
        You might be too young to remember it but they said the same thing about North Korea. When they actually got a nuke all it meant was that the US stopped threatening them, halted practicing manoeuvres in preparation for attack and generally just left them well alone. Iran has probably realized by now that if they dont get a nuke the US and Israel and will keep slaughtering their schoolchildren. Sometimes we're the brutal savages who need to be stopped, impossible though that is for some people who have more of "racial loyalty" mindset to comprehend.
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hax0ron3 6mo ago
Pretty much everyone thinks that violence is ok against certain people. You probably do too. The disagreements are about who violence is ok to use against.
- pseudalopex 6mo ago
  Most people believe some violence is correct. But the disagreements include every variable.
- arrowsmith 6mo ago
  I didn't say that violence is never okay in any circumstance. What I'm objecting to is cowards who couch their support for violence in mealy-mouthed caveats: "of COURSE i don't condone violence BUT ackshuaaaaally when you think about it isn't it _understandable_ that someone should _expect_ this kind of reaction blah blah blah blah blah..." Just say that you think Sam Altman deserves it. You'll disgust me but at least I'd respect your honesty.

What I am saying is if you involve yourself in violence (and directly profiting from violence) you should not be allowed to act shocked when that same violence turns up on your doorstep

pydry 6mo ago

Not ok, but anybody who is ok with terrorizing, say, an Iranian civilian nuclear scientist ought to be equally indifferent to this.

arrowsmith 6mo ago
I’m not indifferent to either of them, but if you equate American tech executives with agents of the Iranian nuclear programme then I don’t care what you have to say on any subject ever
- mvc 6mo ago
  What about executives/scientists on the US nuclear programme?
- Arodex 6mo ago
  Altman and other AI evangelists spent their time equating AI with nuclear technology. They make the comparison all the time.
  - pydry 6mo ago
    I think the issue may be less about the precise comparison and more about https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/643/825/18c.png https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/643/825/18c...
- pillefitz 6mo ago
  The former are doing way more damage to civilization
  - arrowsmith 6mo ago
    Give the latter a nuclear bomb and see how true that stays
    - pydry 6mo ago
      You might be too young to remember it but they said the same thing about North Korea. When they actually got a nuke all it meant was that the US stopped threatening them, halted practicing manoeuvres in preparation for attack and generally just left them well alone. Iran has probably realized by now that if they dont get a nuke the US and Israel and will keep slaughtering their schoolchildren. Sometimes we're the brutal savages who need to be stopped, impossible though that is for some people who have more of "racial loyalty" mindset to comprehend.
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hax0ron3 6mo ago

Pretty much everyone thinks that violence is ok against certain people. You probably do too. The disagreements are about who violence is ok to use against.

pseudalopex 6mo ago
Most people believe some violence is correct. But the disagreements include every variable.
arrowsmith 6mo ago
I didn't say that violence is never okay in any circumstance. What I'm objecting to is cowards who couch their support for violence in mealy-mouthed caveats: "of COURSE i don't condone violence BUT ackshuaaaaally when you think about it isn't it _understandable_ that someone should _expect_ this kind of reaction blah blah blah blah blah..." Just say that you think Sam Altman deserves it. You'll disgust me but at least I'd respect your honesty.