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Tesla's supervised self-driving software gets Dutch okay, first in Europe

38 points by nsoonhui 6mo ago

cedws 6mo ago
“Supervised self-driving” feels like an oxymoron. It’s either safe enough to be completely autonomous or it’s not. There’s no way a human driver being assisted by self-driving is going to be ready to take over at a moments notice with the same awareness that they would have if they were driving the whole time. This is going to kill people.
- sMarsIntruder 6mo ago
  No, it’s not. This solution went through millions of kilometres of data and tests. RDW did a really thorough job since we’re talking about Europe: https://www.rdw.nl/en/news/2026/rdw-explanation-of-european-type-approval-tesla-with-provisional-validity-in-the-netherlands https://www.rdw.nl/en/news/2026/rdw-explanation-of-european-... Stop. Spreading. FUD.
  - hulitu 6mo ago
    Of course it is not. I also do "supervised self driving". In fact, everybody does it. The fact that Tesla drivers are only now able to do it, tell us something about their driving abilities. Stop. Spreading. FUD /s
    - sMarsIntruder 6mo ago
      So if you say BS you can just add /s and it’s fine?
  - cedws 6mo ago
    RDW tested it themselves. That isn't real world usage. Real world drivers will not pay the same attention, and they'll do stupid shit like game the driver attention mechanism so they can watch TikTok.
    - sMarsIntruder 6mo ago
      This is FUD. Supervised means that the camera watches you in realtime keeping attention. But I get this type of comments just to go against one person.
      - cedws 6mo ago
        Yes. And people will find a way to game it like they always do.
      - DemocracyFTW2 6mo ago
        > the camera watches you in realtime keeping attention If this is the world you want there's literally no common ground here
        satvikpendem 6mo ago
        How else would you determine whether the driver is paying attention?
consp 6mo ago
No article has mentioned insurance rates. I would not be surprised if this has consequences for that. I'm not saying this as good or bad but as insurers being cautious as the liability question in civil procedures ultimately comes to them.
- one_more_q 6mo ago
  In the US there are insurance companies that will give you a discount for each mile you drive with FSD enabled. That should give you an it’s on the impact…
10lap 6mo ago
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- consp 6mo ago
  The testing procure has been going on for over two years. Including closed circuit testing.
  - hulitu 6mo ago
    > Including closed circuit testing. Which is irrelevant on real roads. "Our product works really well in the lab, it's the real environment that causes problems"
- zerzera 6mo ago
  Just plain quid pro quo (corruption). We get a mega factory, Tesla gets our approval. https://youtu.be/dii5jnZMAHQ https://youtu.be/dii5jnZMAHQ
TechTechTech 6mo ago
> RDW said the EU sets stricter requirements for safety during vehicle approvals than the U.S. "This means that the FSD Supervised version in the U.S. is NOT comparable to the FSD Supervised version in the EU," it said, without providing further details. The Netherlands has one of the highest road safety standards in the world. More info on differences between USA and NL on the site of RDW (Dutch) https://www.rdw.nl/nieuws/2026/toelichting-rdw-op-europese-typegoedkeuring-tesla-met-voorlopige-geldigheid-in-nederland https://www.rdw.nl/nieuws/2026/toelichting-rdw-op-europese-t...
- hulitu 6mo ago
  > The Netherlands has one of the highest road safety standards in the world. But the Dutch are still not able to drive safely on the Autobahn.
black_13 6mo ago
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expedition32 6mo ago
I wonder how this will pan out. In the Netherlands roads are mixed with old people walking their dog and children on bicycles going to school. We're not in Phoenix anymore.
jacobgorm 6mo ago
More like third in Europe after BMW and Ford, according to https://electrek.co/2026/04/10/tesla-fsd-supervised-approved-netherlands-rdw-europe/ https://electrek.co/2026/04/10/tesla-fsd-supervised-approved...
- one_more_q 6mo ago
  First here relates to the first country that approved. Other OEMs already have hands off level two systems, nobody disputes that.

38 points by nsoonhui 6mo ago

cedws 6mo ago

“Supervised self-driving” feels like an oxymoron. It’s either safe enough to be completely autonomous or it’s not. There’s no way a human driver being assisted by self-driving is going to be ready to take over at a moments notice with the same awareness that they would have if they were driving the whole time. This is going to kill people.

sMarsIntruder 6mo ago
No, it’s not. This solution went through millions of kilometres of data and tests. RDW did a really thorough job since we’re talking about Europe: https://www.rdw.nl/en/news/2026/rdw-explanation-of-european-type-approval-tesla-with-provisional-validity-in-the-netherlands https://www.rdw.nl/en/news/2026/rdw-explanation-of-european-... Stop. Spreading. FUD.
- hulitu 6mo ago
  Of course it is not. I also do "supervised self driving". In fact, everybody does it. The fact that Tesla drivers are only now able to do it, tell us something about their driving abilities. Stop. Spreading. FUD /s
  - sMarsIntruder 6mo ago
    So if you say BS you can just add /s and it’s fine?
- cedws 6mo ago
  RDW tested it themselves. That isn't real world usage. Real world drivers will not pay the same attention, and they'll do stupid shit like game the driver attention mechanism so they can watch TikTok.
  - sMarsIntruder 6mo ago
    This is FUD. Supervised means that the camera watches you in realtime keeping attention. But I get this type of comments just to go against one person.
    - cedws 6mo ago
      Yes. And people will find a way to game it like they always do.
    - DemocracyFTW2 6mo ago
      > the camera watches you in realtime keeping attention If this is the world you want there's literally no common ground here
      - satvikpendem 6mo ago
        How else would you determine whether the driver is paying attention?

consp 6mo ago

No article has mentioned insurance rates. I would not be surprised if this has consequences for that. I'm not saying this as good or bad but as insurers being cautious as the liability question in civil procedures ultimately comes to them.

one_more_q 6mo ago
In the US there are insurance companies that will give you a discount for each mile you drive with FSD enabled. That should give you an it’s on the impact…

10lap 6mo ago

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consp 6mo ago
The testing procure has been going on for over two years. Including closed circuit testing.
- hulitu 6mo ago
  > Including closed circuit testing. Which is irrelevant on real roads. "Our product works really well in the lab, it's the real environment that causes problems"
zerzera 6mo ago
Just plain quid pro quo (corruption). We get a mega factory, Tesla gets our approval. https://youtu.be/dii5jnZMAHQ https://youtu.be/dii5jnZMAHQ

TechTechTech 6mo ago

> RDW said the EU sets stricter requirements for safety during vehicle approvals than the U.S. "This means that the FSD Supervised version in the U.S. is NOT comparable to the FSD Supervised version in the EU," it said, without providing further details. The Netherlands has one of the highest road safety standards in the world. More info on differences between USA and NL on the site of RDW (Dutch) https://www.rdw.nl/nieuws/2026/toelichting-rdw-op-europese-typegoedkeuring-tesla-met-voorlopige-geldigheid-in-nederland https://www.rdw.nl/nieuws/2026/toelichting-rdw-op-europese-t...

hulitu 6mo ago
> The Netherlands has one of the highest road safety standards in the world. But the Dutch are still not able to drive safely on the Autobahn.

black_13 6mo ago

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expedition32 6mo ago

I wonder how this will pan out. In the Netherlands roads are mixed with old people walking their dog and children on bicycles going to school. We're not in Phoenix anymore.

jacobgorm 6mo ago

More like third in Europe after BMW and Ford, according to https://electrek.co/2026/04/10/tesla-fsd-supervised-approved-netherlands-rdw-europe/ https://electrek.co/2026/04/10/tesla-fsd-supervised-approved...

one_more_q 6mo ago
First here relates to the first country that approved. Other OEMs already have hands off level two systems, nobody disputes that.