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Looks well done, nice looking TUI. Does not specify if it's vibe coded or not, which I think should be normal practice now ;(

by johng 6mo ago

unsnap_biceps 6mo ago
it ships with a SKILL.md file, so if they're trying to enable AI to use it, it's a good bet that they used AI to build it.
Zetaphor 6mo ago
If the tool meets your needs, does that matter? Were you planning to make a meaningful contribution to the source? My assumption is that the vast majority of the people making these comments would have never even bothered to read the code, nevermind contribute to it. To put it another way, if you're enjoying eating sausages then what difference does it make how they're assembled?
- multjoy 6mo ago
  If I'm eating a sausage, I like to be certain that no asbestos was used in its production.
  - janderland 6mo ago
    This is a ridiculous analogy. Test the app. Read its source code. Developers could always write toxic instruction in your tools. AI may write inefficient or messy code, but it’s far from nefarious. “Asbestos” code is written intentionally by humans, not unintentionally AI.
    - tgv 6mo ago
      That's a good way to guarantee nobody will use it. Who is going to test the app in a sandbox with godknowswhat kind of tooling needed to find malicious behavior and read the code? For a tool that's convenient once per decade?
      - Zetaphor 6mo ago
        Nobody, and that's my point. 99% of people going to install the tool and never bother with the source. This was true before AI and is still true now.
      - kube-system 6mo ago
        At no point ever in history could you guarantee that third party code downloaded from the internet was not malicious without some sort of security review. Software security assessments exist for this very purpose. You may personally lack the rigor to do this at home but those who have rigorous security processes absolutely do implement security reviews. There is a whole industry of professionals who do this work.
davidodio 6mo ago
why would it be normal? the code is there for you to look at and use or not. It is open-source, licensed as open source and is very clear about that. Why would you feel that the author(s) should need to specify anything else at all to satisfy your curiosity?
- ssl-3 6mo ago
  There's a Kroger grocery store near my house. It's very convenient -- I'm near it almost every day I'm alive. They have all kinds of things there, including factory-made bread and factory-made eggs. There's also a tiny little Amish bakery that I know of. They make all kinds of things there, but the most interesting to me are the loaves of plain white bread that they bake every day (except Sunday) in their wood-fired oven. It is not near to me and is also off the beaten path a good bit, but I try to make a point to go there when I'm in the area. I usually just get a loaf of that plain white bread along with a dozen eggs from the chickens that they have roaming around outside eating bugs. I wouldn't call any aspect of it artisanal or anything like that, but it's definitely not made by machines. And for reasons I can't really rationalize or explain, I enjoy having things from the Amish bakery in my kitchen more than I do the superficially similar things that I get from Kroger. And yet: I usually eat the factory stuff from Kroger. On a strictly functional basis it's about the same to me. --- Anyway: Software. Did a bot write it? Did a person? Was it a combined effort? Does it even matter? I can accept that folks might prefer to have software in their library that is written by people. My acceptance of this does not require them to rationalize their preference, or for me to agree with it or even understand it. It's fine when someone cares about that kind of thing. And it's fine if they don't care, too. We're allowed to like what we like. It's good to have options, and it's OK to prefer one way over another.
  - charcircuit 6mo ago
    Kroger has bakeries within their stores where they bake bread they sell.
    - ssl-3 6mo ago
      They do. But the things from that bakery are made as the product of a soulless megacorp. The process may occur in-store, but it is prescribed from on-high, not invented or tweaked locally. And bread from the Kroger bakery costs more to buy than bread from this Amish bakery does. So for those reasons, and some others that I could probably never properly articulate, having bread from the Kroger bakery in my kitchen does not enhance my joy. It instead diminishes it. Personal preferences can be weird. In this instance, I prefer to actively avoid things from the Kroger bakery.
JimDabell 6mo ago
Not every conversation has to be a conversation about AI.

Looks well done, nice looking TUI. Does not specify if it's vibe coded or not, which I think should be normal practice now ;(

by johng 6mo ago

Looks well done, nice looking TUI. Does not specify if it's vibe coded or not, which I think should be normal practice now ;(

unsnap_biceps 6mo ago

it ships with a SKILL.md file, so if they're trying to enable AI to use it, it's a good bet that they used AI to build it.

Zetaphor 6mo ago

If the tool meets your needs, does that matter? Were you planning to make a meaningful contribution to the source? My assumption is that the vast majority of the people making these comments would have never even bothered to read the code, nevermind contribute to it. To put it another way, if you're enjoying eating sausages then what difference does it make how they're assembled?

multjoy 6mo ago
If I'm eating a sausage, I like to be certain that no asbestos was used in its production.
- janderland 6mo ago
  This is a ridiculous analogy. Test the app. Read its source code. Developers could always write toxic instruction in your tools. AI may write inefficient or messy code, but it’s far from nefarious. “Asbestos” code is written intentionally by humans, not unintentionally AI.
  - tgv 6mo ago
    That's a good way to guarantee nobody will use it. Who is going to test the app in a sandbox with godknowswhat kind of tooling needed to find malicious behavior and read the code? For a tool that's convenient once per decade?
    - Zetaphor 6mo ago
      Nobody, and that's my point. 99% of people going to install the tool and never bother with the source. This was true before AI and is still true now.
    - kube-system 6mo ago
      At no point ever in history could you guarantee that third party code downloaded from the internet was not malicious without some sort of security review. Software security assessments exist for this very purpose. You may personally lack the rigor to do this at home but those who have rigorous security processes absolutely do implement security reviews. There is a whole industry of professionals who do this work.

davidodio 6mo ago

why would it be normal? the code is there for you to look at and use or not. It is open-source, licensed as open source and is very clear about that. Why would you feel that the author(s) should need to specify anything else at all to satisfy your curiosity?

ssl-3 6mo ago
There's a Kroger grocery store near my house. It's very convenient -- I'm near it almost every day I'm alive. They have all kinds of things there, including factory-made bread and factory-made eggs. There's also a tiny little Amish bakery that I know of. They make all kinds of things there, but the most interesting to me are the loaves of plain white bread that they bake every day (except Sunday) in their wood-fired oven. It is not near to me and is also off the beaten path a good bit, but I try to make a point to go there when I'm in the area. I usually just get a loaf of that plain white bread along with a dozen eggs from the chickens that they have roaming around outside eating bugs. I wouldn't call any aspect of it artisanal or anything like that, but it's definitely not made by machines. And for reasons I can't really rationalize or explain, I enjoy having things from the Amish bakery in my kitchen more than I do the superficially similar things that I get from Kroger. And yet: I usually eat the factory stuff from Kroger. On a strictly functional basis it's about the same to me. --- Anyway: Software. Did a bot write it? Did a person? Was it a combined effort? Does it even matter? I can accept that folks might prefer to have software in their library that is written by people. My acceptance of this does not require them to rationalize their preference, or for me to agree with it or even understand it. It's fine when someone cares about that kind of thing. And it's fine if they don't care, too. We're allowed to like what we like. It's good to have options, and it's OK to prefer one way over another.
- charcircuit 6mo ago
  Kroger has bakeries within their stores where they bake bread they sell.
  - ssl-3 6mo ago
    They do. But the things from that bakery are made as the product of a soulless megacorp. The process may occur in-store, but it is prescribed from on-high, not invented or tweaked locally. And bread from the Kroger bakery costs more to buy than bread from this Amish bakery does. So for those reasons, and some others that I could probably never properly articulate, having bread from the Kroger bakery in my kitchen does not enhance my joy. It instead diminishes it. Personal preferences can be weird. In this instance, I prefer to actively avoid things from the Kroger bakery.

JimDabell 6mo ago

Not every conversation has to be a conversation about AI.