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Google's Gmail Upgrade Decision: 2B Users Must Act Now

25 points by teleforce 6mo ago

pramitdev 6mo ago
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- quantified 6mo ago
  The guest is already smoking a cigarette with its feet up when you enter the room. It will try to auto-create email replies with relatively dark patterns, making your own response take extra effort. F U google.
  - pants2 6mo ago
    "Dear Grandma, Sorry to hear about your friend. It might cheer you up knowing that YouTube TV has over 450 channels and is currently offering two months free to be subscribers!"
    - burnt-resistor 6mo ago
      "Sponsored by Brawndo: The Thirst Mutilator™!" LLM generation services will eventually subtly manufacture consent for pro-consumption and shopping-oriented answers that possibly steer users towards specific products, if not overtly generate ads in-band, and participate in overt and covert sponsorships and exclusivity deals. They largely already have the over-confident hallucinated bullshit working, it's just a matter of monetizing it for platform benefit.
ggm 6mo ago
My domain hosted at google workspace mailing lists are increasingly marked as spam, because google uses central Google identities sending them and every workspace @mydomain is tainted by whatever spam other hosted workspaces acquire. They haven't worked out how to dkim/spf them into buckets which other big mail players won't cast as bad" The value proposition behind google hosted domains is falling.
codevark 6mo ago
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tekacs 6mo ago
> whether or not Gemini really does forget what it has seen as easily as claimed Whoever is writing this seems to have absolutely no clue how AI works. Given that Google is clear about the fact that they don't train on your emails, the worst that could be happening here is that... within the scope of your account they maintain an extra index or two, or... additional synthesized data, in addition to the many indexes that they already maintain over your email.
- phs318u 6mo ago
  > Whoever is writing this seems to have absolutely no clue how AI works. The question isn’t really about how AI works. It’s about how Google (the company) works. Do their actions match their stated intentions? Which is really a question of trust. Are they incentivised to lie? Yes. Are they likely to survive a disclosure scandal? Facebook’s experience inclines me to believe yes.
- usr1106 6mo ago
  While composing a reply to recipient B leaking some details that it "learned" when reading a mail from sender A, which you did not want to share with B. I have no idea how they organize sessions, indexes and whatever they use. But if no "side-channels" existed, I would be extremely surprised. Of course reading generated text remains the sole responsibility of the user before clicking "Send". We all know that reading drafts can happen more or less carefully, especially when being in a hurry.
- Grimblewald 6mo ago
  Google has been "clear" on many things in the past that were outright lies.
burnt-resistor 6mo ago
If it's free and not a taxpayer-provided utility, you are the product. Full stop.

25 points by teleforce 6mo ago

pramitdev 6mo ago

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quantified 6mo ago
The guest is already smoking a cigarette with its feet up when you enter the room. It will try to auto-create email replies with relatively dark patterns, making your own response take extra effort. F U google.
- pants2 6mo ago
  "Dear Grandma, Sorry to hear about your friend. It might cheer you up knowing that YouTube TV has over 450 channels and is currently offering two months free to be subscribers!"
  - burnt-resistor 6mo ago
    "Sponsored by Brawndo: The Thirst Mutilator™!" LLM generation services will eventually subtly manufacture consent for pro-consumption and shopping-oriented answers that possibly steer users towards specific products, if not overtly generate ads in-band, and participate in overt and covert sponsorships and exclusivity deals. They largely already have the over-confident hallucinated bullshit working, it's just a matter of monetizing it for platform benefit.

ggm 6mo ago

My domain hosted at google workspace mailing lists are increasingly marked as spam, because google uses central Google identities sending them and every workspace @mydomain is tainted by whatever spam other hosted workspaces acquire. They haven't worked out how to dkim/spf them into buckets which other big mail players won't cast as bad" The value proposition behind google hosted domains is falling.

codevark 6mo ago

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tekacs 6mo ago

> whether or not Gemini really does forget what it has seen as easily as claimed Whoever is writing this seems to have absolutely no clue how AI works. Given that Google is clear about the fact that they don't train on your emails, the worst that could be happening here is that... within the scope of your account they maintain an extra index or two, or... additional synthesized data, in addition to the many indexes that they already maintain over your email.

phs318u 6mo ago
> Whoever is writing this seems to have absolutely no clue how AI works. The question isn’t really about how AI works. It’s about how Google (the company) works. Do their actions match their stated intentions? Which is really a question of trust. Are they incentivised to lie? Yes. Are they likely to survive a disclosure scandal? Facebook’s experience inclines me to believe yes.
usr1106 6mo ago
While composing a reply to recipient B leaking some details that it "learned" when reading a mail from sender A, which you did not want to share with B. I have no idea how they organize sessions, indexes and whatever they use. But if no "side-channels" existed, I would be extremely surprised. Of course reading generated text remains the sole responsibility of the user before clicking "Send". We all know that reading drafts can happen more or less carefully, especially when being in a hurry.
Grimblewald 6mo ago
Google has been "clear" on many things in the past that were outright lies.

burnt-resistor 6mo ago

If it's free and not a taxpayer-provided utility, you are the product. Full stop.