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You’re asking why people are being “dramatic” about an automated system that can do what highly specialized experts get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to
by p-e-w 6mo ago
You’re asking why people are being “dramatic” about an automated system that can do what highly specialized experts get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do?
It’s just fascinating to see how AI’s accomplishments are being systematically downplayed. I guess when an AI proves that P!=NP, I’m going to read on this forum “so what, mathematicians prove conjectures all the time, and also, we pretty much always knew this was true anyway”.
- Shank 6mo ago> I guess when an AI proves that P!=NP, What would be the practical impacts of this discovery?
- nine_k 6mo agoLikely all existing cryptography would become crackable, possibly some of it, very readily.
- jannyfer 6mo agoIsn’t it the opposite?
- fwip 6mo agoI think you read it backwards - that's a possible consequence of P==NP, not P!=NP.
- nine_k 6mo agoYes, I meant the equality. We already operate on the assumption that P ≠ NP, so little would change if that were proved.
- rogerrogerr 6mo ago(Assuming you mean P==NP) Would it become crackable, or just theoretically crackable? E.g. it's one thing to show it's possible to fly to Mars, it's another thing to actually do it.
- localuser13 6mo agoNot really: * It's possible - very likely even - that even if somehow P=NP, the fastest algorithm for any NP problem turns out to be something like n^1000, which is technically P, but not practical in any way. * The proof may not be constructive, so we may just know that P=NP but it won't help us actually create an algorithm in P (nitpick: technically if P=NP there's a construction to create an algorithm that solves any NP problem in P time, but it's extremely slow - for example it involves iterating over all possible programs).
- layer8 6mo agoIt would be warranted if Mythos could jailbreak an up-to-date iPhone. (Maybe it can?) That would actually also be nice, “please rewrite without Liquid Glass”.
- localuser13 6mo agoI am sceptical because AI companies, and anthropic in particular, like to overplay their achievements and build undeserved hype. I also don't understand all the caveats (maybe official announcement is more clear what this really means). But yeah, if their model can reliably write an exploit for novel bugs (starting from a crash, not a vulnerable line of code) then it's very significant. I guess we'll see, right? edit: Actually the original post IS dramatic: "Has Mythos just broken the deal that kept the internet safe? For nearly 20 years the deal has been simple: you click a link, arbitrary code runs on your device, and a stack of sandboxes keeps that code from doing anything nasty". Browser exploits have existed before, and this capability helps defenders as much as it helps attackers, it's not like JS is going anywhere.
- robocat 6mo agoThe interesting thing is that within a year we will know whether it is vapid hype or a momentous change. Scepticism means staying wary and keeping one's mind open, and not closing your eyes to a new reality.