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> the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else. You offered nothing to support this. My openclaw is realistically just an agent in disc

> the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else. You offered nothing to support this. My openclaw is realistically just an agent in discord versus the CLI. That's not an "order of magnitude" more convenient. Anthropic already has a tool for it https://code.claude.com/docs/en/remote-control https://code.claude.com/docs/en/remote-control

BeetleB 6mo ago
> You offered nothing to support this. You've got it inverted. My point is the people saying "You could have done that just as easily with ..." are the ones not supporting it. The commenter has already built that thing with OpenClaw. If someone is saying it could easily have done without it - well, demonstrate it!
- operatingthetan 6mo ago
  It appears that you are confusing who has the burden of proof here. It is the one making the claim contrary to the status quo. Hint: the status quo is not that openclaw is a tech that is magnitudes better than using LLMs without it. Listing a bunch of things that are just normal LLM things as reasons why openclaw is great is not making that case.
  - wat10000 6mo ago
    Burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Status quo has nothing to do with it.
    - operatingthetan 6mo ago
      You should revisit the burden of proof then. Status quo is most certainly an important part. Regardless, their claim was "OpenClaw is flawed, but the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else." And they attempted to shift the burden when I asked for substantiation.
      - wat10000 6mo ago
        Status quo influences how good your proof has to be (extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence) but not who needs to bring it.
        operatingthetan 6mo ago
        Think more deeply about this. https://lastedenblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/13/professor-james-cargile-on-the-burden-of-proof/ https://lastedenblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/13/professor-jame...
        wat10000 6mo ago
        What a bizarre article. The morality of recreational torture is not a matter of factual correctness. Burden of proof is not a concept that makes any sense when there’s a disagreement over morality. You can make arguments for your position and those arguments may involve factual claims which can be proven or disproven, but the underlying morality can’t. And then it ends with that sudden left turn into denouncing atheists as inherently irrational and evil. WTF? Congratulations on bringing an argument so terrible that I’m actually more convinced of my position after having read it than I was before.
        operatingthetan 6mo ago
        It appears that analytic philosophy may not be for you.
        wat10000 6mo ago
        If it thinks I’m evil then clearly they don’t want me.
        cindyllm 6mo ago
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stitched2gethr 6mo ago
> Anthropic already has a tool for it Yes, but Anthropic built this tool after OpenClaw, because of OpenClaw.

BeetleB 6mo ago

> You offered nothing to support this. You've got it inverted. My point is the people saying "You could have done that just as easily with ..." are the ones not supporting it. The commenter has already built that thing with OpenClaw. If someone is saying it could easily have done without it - well, demonstrate it!

operatingthetan 6mo ago
It appears that you are confusing who has the burden of proof here. It is the one making the claim contrary to the status quo. Hint: the status quo is not that openclaw is a tech that is magnitudes better than using LLMs without it. Listing a bunch of things that are just normal LLM things as reasons why openclaw is great is not making that case.
- wat10000 6mo ago
  Burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Status quo has nothing to do with it.
  - operatingthetan 6mo ago
    You should revisit the burden of proof then. Status quo is most certainly an important part. Regardless, their claim was "OpenClaw is flawed, but the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else." And they attempted to shift the burden when I asked for substantiation.
    - wat10000 6mo ago
      Status quo influences how good your proof has to be (extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence) but not who needs to bring it.
      - operatingthetan 6mo ago
        Think more deeply about this. https://lastedenblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/13/professor-james-cargile-on-the-burden-of-proof/ https://lastedenblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/13/professor-jame...
        wat10000 6mo ago
        What a bizarre article. The morality of recreational torture is not a matter of factual correctness. Burden of proof is not a concept that makes any sense when there’s a disagreement over morality. You can make arguments for your position and those arguments may involve factual claims which can be proven or disproven, but the underlying morality can’t. And then it ends with that sudden left turn into denouncing atheists as inherently irrational and evil. WTF? Congratulations on bringing an argument so terrible that I’m actually more convinced of my position after having read it than I was before.
        operatingthetan 6mo ago
        It appears that analytic philosophy may not be for you.
        wat10000 6mo ago
        If it thinks I’m evil then clearly they don’t want me.
        cindyllm 6mo ago
        [dead]

stitched2gethr 6mo ago

> Anthropic already has a tool for it Yes, but Anthropic built this tool after OpenClaw, because of OpenClaw.