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It's scary how blind people are to this. The right wing wants to help people in the long term and the left wing wants to help people in the short term. Both app

It's scary how blind people are to this. The right wing wants to help people in the long term and the left wing wants to help people in the short term. Both approaches seem obviously wrong to adherents of the other because they both disadvantage the group that the other wants to help. Approximately nobody is just bad and wants to harm people. That's a characterization both sides use against each other because they refuse to understand each other.

hn_acc1 6mo ago
If there are ANY people the right wing wants to help, it's rich people and grifters, and "long term" to them is like 3 months. Sorry, but the current admin IS "just bad" and DOES want to harm people - see ICE.
- foxglacier 6mo ago
  Try thinking of honest examples. If you can't, you're not competent to have thoughts about the topic because you will only be able to feel emotions and pretend they're thoughts.
  - drfloyd51 6mo ago
    How is ICE anything but bad? If someone really wanted to stop illegal immigration, punishing the businesses that betray American workers by hiring cheap illegal labor. That seems a bit more efficient than hunting people on the streets with technology that can also be used to hunt anyone for any reason.
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rootusrootus 6mo ago
> The right wing wants to help people in the long term That sounds overly generous. It seems more like the right believes in social darwinism and feels like it benefits society overall by ridding us of lower quality people. The left believes there should be a fundamental minimum standard for existence that all members of society are entitled to.
- drfloyd51 6mo ago
  > The left believes there should be a fundamental minimum standard for existence that all members of society are entitled to. I believe we should do this because if we are the greatest nation in the world, we should be able to do this. The greatest nation in the world should be unlike any other nation. An inspiration. A wonder.
FireBeyond 6mo ago
> The right wing wants to help people in the long term > Approximately nobody is just bad and wants to harm people Garbage. Mitch McConnell was on-record as saying during the Obama years that Republicans would be blocking any legislation from his administration that they could "even if it benefited the American people in any way" (his words, not mine) just so they could say it was a "do-nothing Presidency".
dragonwriter 6mo ago
> The right wing wants to help people in the long term and the left wing wants to help people in the short term. The right-wing wants to narrow the concentration of power and increase inequality and rigidity of social heirarchy, the left-wing wants to increase the distribution of power and decrease inequality and rigidity of social heirarchy. Each side views their orientation as being what helps people (or, at least, the people who should be helped) in the long term, and usually the short term as well.

hn_acc1 6mo ago

If there are ANY people the right wing wants to help, it's rich people and grifters, and "long term" to them is like 3 months. Sorry, but the current admin IS "just bad" and DOES want to harm people - see ICE.

foxglacier 6mo ago
Try thinking of honest examples. If you can't, you're not competent to have thoughts about the topic because you will only be able to feel emotions and pretend they're thoughts.
- drfloyd51 6mo ago
  How is ICE anything but bad? If someone really wanted to stop illegal immigration, punishing the businesses that betray American workers by hiring cheap illegal labor. That seems a bit more efficient than hunting people on the streets with technology that can also be used to hunt anyone for any reason.
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rootusrootus 6mo ago

> The right wing wants to help people in the long term That sounds overly generous. It seems more like the right believes in social darwinism and feels like it benefits society overall by ridding us of lower quality people. The left believes there should be a fundamental minimum standard for existence that all members of society are entitled to.

drfloyd51 6mo ago
> The left believes there should be a fundamental minimum standard for existence that all members of society are entitled to. I believe we should do this because if we are the greatest nation in the world, we should be able to do this. The greatest nation in the world should be unlike any other nation. An inspiration. A wonder.

FireBeyond 6mo ago

> The right wing wants to help people in the long term > Approximately nobody is just bad and wants to harm people Garbage. Mitch McConnell was on-record as saying during the Obama years that Republicans would be blocking any legislation from his administration that they could "even if it benefited the American people in any way" (his words, not mine) just so they could say it was a "do-nothing Presidency".

dragonwriter 6mo ago

> The right wing wants to help people in the long term and the left wing wants to help people in the short term. The right-wing wants to narrow the concentration of power and increase inequality and rigidity of social heirarchy, the left-wing wants to increase the distribution of power and decrease inequality and rigidity of social heirarchy. Each side views their orientation as being what helps people (or, at least, the people who should be helped) in the long term, and usually the short term as well.