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Your "fact" is pure vaporware and hallucination.

pixel_popping 7mo ago
Let's talk about it again in 5 years, but 1-2 years from now, at the very least, coding will be over in the sense that the best models will do it better than the best (or the 99.99%). I don't think I'm hallucinating no, when my own work went from coding+managing+bunch of other stuff to just orchestrating and my output is just insanely higher and I literally have a bunch of friends that went from coding 8h a day to just "pretending to code" and just using a bunch of agents and get paid the same salary for working 30min a day, that's real, not an hallucination.
- classified 7mo ago
  > in 5 years That's literally the same argument that the blockchain gurus made, and each following year it was still 5 years in the future. I'm getting strong Real Soon Now™ vibes.
  - pixel_popping 7mo ago
    common, that's very different, that's something current with practical use-cases that are already being implemented across all companies, I don't even know why we compare this with blockchain, blockchain is just some fancy resilient DB with proofs in the end.
  - cleversomething 6mo ago
    Bitcoin was never actually valuable for the average person except if they got lucky by timing the speculation bubbles right, or if they were buying illegal drugs online. Lots of AI tools already add actual value and they're only getting better. Every software dev I know uses Claude at some level. Whether it will be the next trillion dollar unicorn might be overhype, but in terms of demonstrating its general utility, it's already there. No need to wait 5 years.
    - pixel_popping 6mo ago
      It's really 2 very different things, only the "shilling" might be deja-vu.
      - andirk 6mo ago
        Haha. My favorite shillings will always be NFTs and the "let's do email job pointless meetings in Second Life and call it Metaverse". Although the former is/was pure shilling, and the latter is/was a horrible pipe dream shilled as useful.
    - sleepybrett 6mo ago
      > Every software dev I know uses Claude at some level. here is my leve:, try to get claude to properly perform some boring boilerplate for me until the tokens run out or i get super angry and then do it myself in a rage.
      - cleversomething 6mo ago
        what stack do you work in, and how are you prompting it?
        philipwhiuk 6mo ago
        Ah, the old 'you're using it wrong'. Either it's smart or it's not.
        sleepybrett 6mo ago
        thank you.
        cleversomething 6mo ago
        If you said "This car is stupid, I can't drive it" and it turned out you weren't putting the key in the ignition...
  - sleepybrett 6mo ago
    or elson and fsd.
  - AlexCoventry 6mo ago
    No, AI has real, immediate, large-scale industrial and scientific applications. Cryptocurrency is a massive disappointment, but AI has genuine potential value.
    - classified 6mo ago
      > genuine potential value That's some beautiful mental and verbal gymnastics.
      - AlexCoventry 6mo ago
        That's some cynical ignorance.
- shash 6mo ago
  How are you/they instructing those agents? If you are writing detailed spec.md and reviewing those results, you are _still_ programming. Just in pseudocode effectively. I’ve seen enough session transcripts and detailed prompts that would have been easier to just write the code instead!

Let's talk about it again in 5 years, but 1-2 years from now, at the very least, coding will be over in the sense that the best models will do it better than the best (or the 99.99%). I don't think I'm hallucinating no, when my own work went from coding+managing+bunch of other stuff to just orchestrating and my output is just insanely higher and I literally have a bunch of friends that went from coding 8h a day to just "pretending to code" and just using a bunch of agents and get paid the same salary for working 30min a day, that's real, not an hallucination.

classified 7mo ago
> in 5 years That's literally the same argument that the blockchain gurus made, and each following year it was still 5 years in the future. I'm getting strong Real Soon Now™ vibes.
- pixel_popping 7mo ago
  common, that's very different, that's something current with practical use-cases that are already being implemented across all companies, I don't even know why we compare this with blockchain, blockchain is just some fancy resilient DB with proofs in the end.
- cleversomething 6mo ago
  Bitcoin was never actually valuable for the average person except if they got lucky by timing the speculation bubbles right, or if they were buying illegal drugs online. Lots of AI tools already add actual value and they're only getting better. Every software dev I know uses Claude at some level. Whether it will be the next trillion dollar unicorn might be overhype, but in terms of demonstrating its general utility, it's already there. No need to wait 5 years.
  - pixel_popping 6mo ago
    It's really 2 very different things, only the "shilling" might be deja-vu.
    - andirk 6mo ago
      Haha. My favorite shillings will always be NFTs and the "let's do email job pointless meetings in Second Life and call it Metaverse". Although the former is/was pure shilling, and the latter is/was a horrible pipe dream shilled as useful.
  - sleepybrett 6mo ago
    > Every software dev I know uses Claude at some level. here is my leve:, try to get claude to properly perform some boring boilerplate for me until the tokens run out or i get super angry and then do it myself in a rage.
    - cleversomething 6mo ago
      what stack do you work in, and how are you prompting it?
      - philipwhiuk 6mo ago
        Ah, the old 'you're using it wrong'. Either it's smart or it's not.
        sleepybrett 6mo ago
        thank you.
        cleversomething 6mo ago
        If you said "This car is stupid, I can't drive it" and it turned out you weren't putting the key in the ignition...
- sleepybrett 6mo ago
  or elson and fsd.
- AlexCoventry 6mo ago
  No, AI has real, immediate, large-scale industrial and scientific applications. Cryptocurrency is a massive disappointment, but AI has genuine potential value.
  - classified 6mo ago
    > genuine potential value That's some beautiful mental and verbal gymnastics.
    - AlexCoventry 6mo ago
      That's some cynical ignorance.
shash 6mo ago
How are you/they instructing those agents? If you are writing detailed spec.md and reviewing those results, you are _still_ programming. Just in pseudocode effectively. I’ve seen enough session transcripts and detailed prompts that would have been easier to just write the code instead!