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Thanks for the lwn link, it really helped to put things in a larger perspective. And I can't help but feel that Gnome is being used here to enforce systemd depe

Thanks for the lwn link, it really helped to put things in a larger perspective. And I can't help but feel that Gnome is being used here to enforce systemd dependancy for reasons other than purely practical.. I think systemd is currently the best init system when it comes to potential, however I don't like how it 'swallows' other core components like udev as I think that might have a negative impact on possible alternatives being developed. I think systemd should compete on it's merits and not by what seems like it becoming a dependency as part of an agenda rather than a practical necessity.

varjag 14y ago
Systemd depends on an httpd. It simply can't be the system with the best potential, I refuse to believe it.
- batgaijin 14y ago
  could you expand on that?
  - rwmj 14y ago
    It's a long and rather sad story, but since systemd started to do its own logging (using a binary format), it can optionally now link to a micro HTTP server so that you can connect to the journal on localhost in order to read these logs (http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/configure.ac#n478 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/configure.a...). I won't offer any opinions on whether this is good or bad, simply state that's what happened.
- darklajid 14y ago
  Which version? And are you talking about a hard dependency or a recommendation / something optional? Here: pacman -Si systemd Repository : core Name : systemd Version : 195-2 URL : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd Licenses : GPL2 LGPL2.1 MIT Groups : None Provides : libsystemd=195 systemd-tools=195 udev=195 Depends On : acl bash dbus-core glib2 kbd kmod hwids libcap libgcrypt pam util-linux xz Optional Deps : initscripts: legacy support for /etc/rc.conf python: systemd library bindings python2-cairo: systemd-analyze python2-dbus: systemd-analyze systemd-sysvcompat: symlink package to provide sysvinit binaries cryptsetup: required for encrypted block devices quota-tools: kernel-level quota management
  - varjag 14y ago
    Good, they fixed it then. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/169082 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/1690...
  - X-Istence 14y ago
    Since it was already answered, I'll just link there: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4772467 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4772467 It is an configurable item for when you configure systemd.
- LeonidasXIV 14y ago
  I use systemd without having installed a httpd. Now theres an error somwhere in your post.

varjag 14y ago

Systemd depends on an httpd. It simply can't be the system with the best potential, I refuse to believe it.

batgaijin 14y ago
could you expand on that?
- rwmj 14y ago
  It's a long and rather sad story, but since systemd started to do its own logging (using a binary format), it can optionally now link to a micro HTTP server so that you can connect to the journal on localhost in order to read these logs (http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/configure.ac#n478 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/configure.a...). I won't offer any opinions on whether this is good or bad, simply state that's what happened.
darklajid 14y ago
Which version? And are you talking about a hard dependency or a recommendation / something optional? Here: pacman -Si systemd Repository : core Name : systemd Version : 195-2 URL : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd Licenses : GPL2 LGPL2.1 MIT Groups : None Provides : libsystemd=195 systemd-tools=195 udev=195 Depends On : acl bash dbus-core glib2 kbd kmod hwids libcap libgcrypt pam util-linux xz Optional Deps : initscripts: legacy support for /etc/rc.conf python: systemd library bindings python2-cairo: systemd-analyze python2-dbus: systemd-analyze systemd-sysvcompat: symlink package to provide sysvinit binaries cryptsetup: required for encrypted block devices quota-tools: kernel-level quota management
- varjag 14y ago
  Good, they fixed it then. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/169082 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/1690...
- X-Istence 14y ago
  Since it was already answered, I'll just link there: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4772467 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4772467 It is an configurable item for when you configure systemd.
LeonidasXIV 14y ago
I use systemd without having installed a httpd. Now theres an error somwhere in your post.