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Spitting your food out because the AI generated the recipe is so clearly irrational that I chuckled a bit on reading that
by lbarrow 6mo ago
Spitting your food out because the AI generated the recipe is so clearly irrational that I chuckled a bit on reading that
- dirkc 6mo agoPeople talk about AI getting things wrong all the time, why is it "so clearly irrational" to be doubtful of a recipe that might include ingredients that can make you sick?
- VectorLock 6mo agoBecause I hope that someone who's hands were required to assemble the recipe didn't blindly add ingredients like "bleach" if the AI happened to hallucinate them.
- stvltvs 6mo agoA naive hope perhaps, but this ignores the risk of LLMs just creating a bad recipe based on the blind combination of various recipes in their training data.
- VectorLock 6mo agoAs the parent comment said the people seemed to be enjoying the food otherwise so the LLM didn't create an unpalatable combination, and I can't think of any combination of edible and unharmful ingredients that might combine to something harmful (when consuming a reasonable amount)
- psvv 6mo agoIf meat was involved, the cooking time may have been unsafe if other precautions weren't taken by the cook (like checking the internal temperature).
- xmprt 6mo agoThis is exactly what makes it dangerous. Food can taste ok but actually cause you to get sick. Not all bacteria is going to taste off. I'm assuming you're not a chef because if you were then you'd know how absurd your statement is. For a super simple example, if you don't properly handle or cook raw meat then you risk getting sick even though the food might not immediately taste bad. Maybe that's obvious to you but might not be to the person preparing the food. Another example: Rhubarb pie is supposed to be made with the leaves and not the stalk because the stalk is poisonous and can cause illness. Just kidding, it's actually the other way around but if you were just reading a ChatGPT recipe that made that mistake maybe you wouldn't have caught it.
- eviks 6mo agoYour personal hope aside, why is it irrational for them?
- snypher 6mo agoBecause the implication is a random human-generated recipe from wherever has any more risk than the one generated. People who would trust a 'bleach recipe' from AI would also trust it from a Tiktok video or whatever. Edit: it is irrational to think this way when someone prepares your food¿
- eviks 6mo agoBut that's just a made up implication to make the other one look better, that's not the only true alternative, so doesn't explain irrationality
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- strongpigeon 6mo agoBecause it assumes the person actually making the food has no common sense?
- wpm 6mo agoIf they're asking an LLM for a recipe, they don't.
- pixel_popping 6mo agoMy wife does it all the time, and it's actually decent.
- bloody-crow 6mo agoThat's just pure nonsense. My partner is very competent cook and she invents new recipes and experiments all the time. I don't see why she can't use LLM output as an inspiration to combine with her own expertise, sense of taste, and preferences to come up with an excellent dish.
- baggy_trough 6mo agoThat's quite an assertion.
- therouwboat 6mo agoWe had billion dollar AI company install vending machine that was giving stuff away for free, so maybe AI users don't have common sense.
- bloody-crow 6mo agoThis is an experiment they ran and were prepared to lose money on. It seems perfectly reasonable for an AI company to test their products in adversarial conditions to have a better understanding of its flaws and limitations.
- catlikesshrimp 6mo agoFantastic history I hadn't heard, april fools day included https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai/anthropic-tasked-an-ai-with-running-a-vending-machine-in-its-offices-and-it-not-only-sold-some-products-at-a-big-loss-but-it-invented-people-meetings-and-experienced-a-bizarre-identity-crisis/ https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai/anthropic-tasked-an-ai-w...
- steve1977 6mo agoPeople get things wrong all the time as well, so I wouldn't trust them either.
- happytoexplain 6mo agoPeople get things wrong in a different, more observable/predictable way. Sure, we are easily tricked dummies and we can't know if a human is right or wrong, but our human-trust heuristics are highly developed. Our AI-trust heuristics don't exist.
- steve1977 6mo agoI mean I had people serve me expired food and chicken that was half raw. The latter I could observe, the former I couldn't so easily. Both were things that could have made me sick.
- happytoexplain 6mo agoFor sure. I'm not defending human perfection, I'm defending human caution (Disclaimer: The format of the preceding sentence was chosen without AI assistance).
- mikestew 6mo agoDunno about you, but I like the increased viscosity in my sauces when I use glue: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd11gzejgz4o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd11gzejgz4o
- defen 6mo agolet's take a second to think about the threat vectors here. The two obvious ones I can think of are: "AI hallucinates and tells you to put non-food into the food" and "AI hallucinates and gives you unsafe prep instructions" (e.g. "heat the chicken to an internal temperature of 110 degrees"). For both of those, it's not clear why "random recipe from an internet blog" is safer than something the AI generates. At some level if someone is preparing your food you need to trust that they know how to prepare food, no matter where they're getting their instructions from.
- daveguy 6mo agoYeah, but I would trust a human writing a blog not to suggest heating chicken to 110F because the human writing the blog understands that they are taking responsibility for that recipe... The AI LLM model doesn't have a clue about responsibility except to regurgitate feel-good snippets about responsibility.
- newZWhoDis 6mo ago>because the human writing the blog understands Bold assumption
- tokioyoyo 6mo agoWild takes in this thread. Copy and blog writing industry is just random fiverrs or hires from countries with cheap labour to pump up the SEO rankings. Everyone grew up with an understanding to “never trust the random internet content for 100%”, now we’re trying to say that AI has to be 100% reliable.
- daveguy 6mo agoOkay, captain pedantic. Clearly I'm assuming a known food blogger with a reputation at stake employed by bon appetite / food network / etc in this scenario. Not some random SEO spam.
- kube-system 6mo agoPeople who do not understand or even use AI are not in a position to even begin "thinking about threat vectors". That isn't how they've come to their worldview, at all.
- s1artibartfast 6mo agoSomeone once try to feed me dinner from a recipie they found on the internet. I punched their lights out and then called the cops.
- pixel_popping 6mo agobut was it done with GPT-5.4 xhigh with an adversarial loop?
- ikkun 6mo agoI could see being concerned about food safety; I wouldn't trust an AI recipe to tell me how long/what temperature to cook chicken, and I might not trust someone who uses AI to generate recipes to know either.
- lbarrow 6mo agoYea, I suppose that is fair regarding cook timings.
- ctoth 6mo agoHi! I love to cook! I also use AI to brainstorm recipes sometimes! Wanna try asking Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini, or even Grok what temperature chicken needs to be cooked to? I just asked Claude: 165°F (74°C) internal temperature. Where does this come from?
- happytoexplain 6mo agoI can't tell if you're criticizing the parent or are innocently asking how Claude knows the temperature for chicken. To be clear in the case of the former: Harm data points have approximately one trillion times the weight of no-harm data points, as a rule of thumb.
- stvltvs 6mo agoEven if it can give the right answer when asked, will it necessarily account for that in a recipe it generates? A beginning cook may not know enough to ask.
- miloignis 6mo agoArguably, that's wrong - not because it's unsafe, but because it's not the best temperature for any part of the chicken I know of. I'm a big J. Kenji López-Alt and Serious Eats fan, and 165 is too hot for good chicken breast and too cool for good dark meat: https://www.seriouseats.com/chicken-thigh-temperature-technique-11887963 https://www.seriouseats.com/chicken-thigh-temperature-techni...
- ikkun 6mo ago
- happytoexplain 6mo agoI mostly agree that it's an overreaction. However, "irrational" is a really bad choice of word. Every non-technical person understands that sometimes AI says wrong things - like, random, crazy wrong things, not just a little off. It's just a general rule kept in the back of the mind. Food is easily in that realm of "be careful". Did the AI produce a recipe that would be harmful to you and the cook didn't notice? Almost certainly not. So, sure, they were being over-cautious. But "irrational"? No, no, no. It's definitely rational. Look at what you're writing. "Doing X is so clearly irrational that I chuckled a bit." Please don't perpetuate the image of the elitist techie. That is what was just firebombed.
- s1artibartfast 6mo agothere is almost nothing seriously dangerous about food, particularly everyday food.There are a handful of niche things that are seriously dangerous, like cooking Fugu or Poison mushrooms with special preperation. I think this says more about how neurotic and paranoid people are.
- misiti3780 6mo agolol = if you're against AI recipes, you have bigger problems.
- ajross 6mo agoThe very fact that your takeaway from that story was "look at how dumb my enemies are" is why this is a conflict worth worrying about. Are you right? Yeah, basically. Are you going to laugh at your stupid neighbors until they burn your house down in rage? Maybe? You don't treat fear with malice.
- layer8 6mo agoI interpret it as an expression of disgust. Similar to how people will stop reading and throw away a good book when they learn the author is a morally reprehensible person.
- wak90 6mo agoLike, I wouldn't spit the food out. But I would be disgusted. Someone told me they planned their vacation with an llm and I couldn't help but express disdain for this friend of mine. Why are we outsourcing creativity and research and interest in discovery to an llm?
- thevinter 6mo agoProbably because the person wasn't interested in planning their vacation and wanted just to enjoy the end result? Let's not assume different people find the same parts of the process enjoyable.
- lostmsu 6mo ago> Why are we outsourcing creativity and research and interest in discovery to an llm? This is also weird. I hate planning vacations, but I like going to them.
- bloody-crow 6mo agoReally don't get this take. I really hate vacation planning and would outsource this part in a heartbeat. My partner does this for me currently and she seems enjoy it quite a bit, but if she wasn't, the LLM-generated plans I've tried out of curiosity were equally as good.
- s1artibartfast 6mo agoAI planned a european honeymoon for the wife and I and it was fantastic, one our the best vacations. I hate internet travel research. We told it our interests and gave it feedback. I also discovered the best way to go to an art museum is to walk through with AI, taking pictures of each piece of art. It will tell you the historical context of its creation, a 1 page summary of the most facinating facts. It is like having a team of 100 art history professors in your pocket.
- dvfjsdhgfv 6mo agoReally? I can think of a few reasons I wouldn't trust AI-generated recipes.
- racl101 6mo agoFirst thanksgiving dinner?
- throwaway613746 6mo ago[dead]