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I'm a student pilot, and based on conversations I've had with my CFI (certified flight instructor), this article seems accurate. Basically, it's really expensi
by michael_miller 14y ago
I'm a student pilot, and based on conversations I've had with my CFI (certified flight instructor), this article seems accurate.
Basically, it's really expensive to learn to fly. Think $112/hr for an extremely basic 2 seat plane, and around $65/hr for the instructor, at least in the NY area. Even assuming you do all the bookwork on your own without an instructor, that's around $7-8k for a private license(40-50h). After that, you need to get an instrument rating(40h), for around the same price.
Then, at 250 hours, you can get a commercial rating which lets you fly people around for money (you can't solicit passengers though). At this point, pilots usually go for a CFI rating, which lets them teach students. Most flight schools are happy to have the cheap labor, and the pilots want to get more hours so they can apply to regional airlines. The pay is pretty horrible (maybe $20-$30/h when you start), but it's the only way to build hours for most pilots. After doing this for a while (could be up to 600-700h), pilots either manage to find a gig flying businesspeople around on a corporate jet, an odd job like ferrying cargo around on a small plane, or go to a regional carrier. Regional carriers pay even worse than being a CFI, around $20k-$30k starting, but the tradeoff is that you're building time in a "serious" turboprop/jet plane, which the big airlines require before even hiring you as a first officer.
You have to take on a massive amount of debt to become a pilot, then get paid terrible wages once you start. Even when you hit the top and become a captain at a major airline you're still only making around $100-$110k, and very few pilots achieve this.
Raising the number of hours required to be hired as a pilot will cause less people to become pilots. It means CFIs will be instructors for much longer, making it harder for newly minted CFIs to find a job to pay off their debt.
The fundamental problem is that avgas costs a ton (up to $6-$7 in NY). If it was free, or at least much cheaper, to fly a plane, the hour requirements would not be a problem - pilots could just train for longer. I think the solution is going to be electric trainer planes. I see the most promising company in this area as beyond aviation (http://www.beyond-aviation.com/ http://www.beyond-aviation.com/). They're developing an electric version of the Cessna 172, the most popular plane produced to date(43k+). Their president was the COO at Cessna for 6 years, so I'm really hopeful they can achieve their goal.
An electric plane has three major benefits: no avgas needed, air inlets can be reduced significantly (no oxygen-hogging combustion reactions) for reduced drag, and significantly reduced TBO. Background: on piston engine planes, a mechanic needs to disassemble the engine every ~2k hours of flying, replace bad parts, and reassemble it. This costs around $15k, contributing a nontrivial amount of money to cost of flying. On an electric planes, the engines last much longer (think 20k-30k hours), so this cost all but vanishes.
- anotherbadlogin 14y agoNot to mention the nationwide assault on airports, carried out by corrupt local politicians, developers, asshole neighbors, and even the Obama administration. First we have jagoffs who move next door to an airport and then start bitching about it (see: Santa Monica, CA), using the same lies about pollution and "danger" as excuses to try to boost their property values by stealing from everyone else. In every case, you can statistically prove that what they're saying is bullshit. But of course, these people know that. And we have politicians who pander to these people, which is easy when the people who support the airport (which in many cases turns out to be the MAJORITY) don't have any particular reason to make their voices heard. And waiting on the sideline (and the city councilman's office) are the fatcat developers who're sure they're about to move in for the land grab. When an airport closes, we all lose an irreplaceable part of our national transportation infrastructure and a great American freedom: the freedom to fly. At the behest of a few thieves, communities are losing hundreds of airports and you, your friends, and your children are losing the opportunity to learn to fly. Why is there a shortage? Because ignorance is killing aviation. Yes, fuel prices are high. But electric planes and engines that run on automotive gas are not going to become widely available if there's no place to fly them. It's just an economic fact. And then we have Obama vilifying aviation and corporate planes, when in fact most of them are BUILT IN AMERICA and certainly serviced in America. They're used by such people as factory owners to fly to facilities that aren't even served by commercial airlines. And who works in those factories? Americans. But Obama wants to slap user fees on general aviation, which is what killed GA in Europe. Brilliant plan. GA needs a massive PR effort to combat the ignorant portrayal of small airports and planes as non-essential playgrounds of the rich. Seriously, hang out at an airport. Take a flying lesson. Talk to pilots. That's not who these people are.
- mahyarm 14y agoI can't wait for practical & automated electrical airplanes to start becoming a market reality. So many short hops will become affordable that could really use it. The Victoria,BC, Seattle & Vancouver triangle is one good example. Victoria is on an island, and requires a 3hr ferry boat ride on a schedule to get off the island.
- raverbashing 14y ago