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So they did the math and worked out it's cheaper and easier to lobby the government instead of working to make their product safe. And these are the people tha

So they did the math and worked out it's cheaper and easier to lobby the government instead of working to make their product safe. And these are the people that a lot programmers want to give the keys to the kingdom. Idiocracy really is in full effect.

nottorp 6mo ago
> instead of working to make their product safe Make a nondeterministic product safe how?
- ghurtado 6mo ago
  Is this the first time you have heard of AI safety? Lots of articles you could read on the subject and answer your own question. (Unless your angle is: akshually, you can never make anything 100% safe)
  - nottorp 6mo ago
    > akshually, you can never make anything 100% safe Yes Sherlock. And especially a natural language product that can't output the same thing for unchanged input twice. Besides when you say "safe" i think of the idiots at Anthropic deleting "the hell" when i pasted a string in Claude and asked "what the hell are those unprintable characters at the beginning and end"... How many correct answers did they suppress in their quest to make their chatbot "family friendly"?
    - ghurtado 6mo ago
      > Yes Sherlock I figured as much. I don't think it takes Sherlock Holmes to identify akshually types, but thanks for the compliment, I suppose.
- sassymuffinz 6mo ago
  I'm creating a new start up called QuantumFlop Electricity - there's a 10% chance it will cause a black hole to open up in the Atlantic Ocean that may eventually consume us all but a 50% chance we'll have unlimited clean energy. We'll never know for sure if at any point that black hole may open as it's borrowing energy from the 81st dimension, but the upside seems pretty good. Should I be able to get on with it?
  - nottorp 6mo ago
    Funny, I was just rereading the Hyperion series. It says there clearly that it was the AIs that created the black hole that led to the destruction of Old Earth. Intentionally.
    - sassymuffinz 6mo ago
      I've never read the book but I assume there were some sycophants who were praising the AI right up until it created a black hole that destroyed the planet.
      - nottorp 6mo ago
        Great space opera, try it if you like the genre. It wasn't exactly like that but I've already spoiled it too much.
- MichaelDickens 6mo ago
  What exactly are you implying? It sounds to me like you're saying that if it's impossible to make a product safe, then there shouldn't be any safety requirements. I think a more sensible position is that if it's impossible to make a product safe, then it should be illegal to build.
sizzzzlerz 6mo ago
That has been the methodology of businesses since the mid 20th century. And you know what? It works! Really well!
- Cytobit 6mo ago
  Works for who exactly?

nottorp 6mo ago

> instead of working to make their product safe Make a nondeterministic product safe how?

ghurtado 6mo ago
Is this the first time you have heard of AI safety? Lots of articles you could read on the subject and answer your own question. (Unless your angle is: akshually, you can never make anything 100% safe)
- nottorp 6mo ago
  > akshually, you can never make anything 100% safe Yes Sherlock. And especially a natural language product that can't output the same thing for unchanged input twice. Besides when you say "safe" i think of the idiots at Anthropic deleting "the hell" when i pasted a string in Claude and asked "what the hell are those unprintable characters at the beginning and end"... How many correct answers did they suppress in their quest to make their chatbot "family friendly"?
  - ghurtado 6mo ago
    > Yes Sherlock I figured as much. I don't think it takes Sherlock Holmes to identify akshually types, but thanks for the compliment, I suppose.
sassymuffinz 6mo ago
I'm creating a new start up called QuantumFlop Electricity - there's a 10% chance it will cause a black hole to open up in the Atlantic Ocean that may eventually consume us all but a 50% chance we'll have unlimited clean energy. We'll never know for sure if at any point that black hole may open as it's borrowing energy from the 81st dimension, but the upside seems pretty good. Should I be able to get on with it?
- nottorp 6mo ago
  Funny, I was just rereading the Hyperion series. It says there clearly that it was the AIs that created the black hole that led to the destruction of Old Earth. Intentionally.
  - sassymuffinz 6mo ago
    I've never read the book but I assume there were some sycophants who were praising the AI right up until it created a black hole that destroyed the planet.
    - nottorp 6mo ago
      Great space opera, try it if you like the genre. It wasn't exactly like that but I've already spoiled it too much.
MichaelDickens 6mo ago
What exactly are you implying? It sounds to me like you're saying that if it's impossible to make a product safe, then there shouldn't be any safety requirements. I think a more sensible position is that if it's impossible to make a product safe, then it should be illegal to build.

sizzzzlerz 6mo ago

That has been the methodology of businesses since the mid 20th century. And you know what? It works! Really well!

Cytobit 6mo ago
Works for who exactly?