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The whole manosphere problem shows that with correct leader you can forge your own army.

joe_mamba 7mo ago
Manosphere is a symptom, not a problem. And manosphere is a boogie-man nothing burger that has no leverage over men, since it's co-opted by grifters and scammers trying selling you courses. There's no actual "leader" there that men recognize.
- general1465 7mo ago
  Manosphere is perfect breeding ground for your own private army since a neolith. Currently manosphere is abused by grifters, but put there somebody with ideology who actually wants to do as much damage as possible, pool money together and you have terrorist training camp. And just to be clear, it really does not matter what ideology you will wrap your targets into.
  - joe_mamba 6mo ago
    >Manosphere is perfect breeding ground for your own private army since a neolith. This is by far the silliest, most makes-zero-sense thing I read this year on HN.
- NickC25 7mo ago
  Some of those that you'd call grifters are actually seen as leaders by those who claim to be in the movement. That's the problem. If they admit it or not, that's besides the point - if young men look to the likes of Andrew Tate or Clavicular as thought leaders, then they look to them as thought leaders and thus said actors are leaders if they want to be or not. It's similar to how some athletes are viewed as role models even if they outright tell people "I'm not a role model, I just happen to be good at a sport".
antisthenes 7mo ago
How does it show that? Do you have any real-life examples of a manosphere leader legitimately challenging an incumbent government apparatus?
- ModernMech 6mo ago
  Does the current administration not fit the bill for you?
  - antisthenes 6mo ago
    Are you seriously implying the entire administration is a manosphere army?
    - ModernMech 6mo ago
      I'm implying that Trump is the paragon manosphere avatar, and his administration is filled with little versions of him. The purpose of the entire administration is to challenge incumbent government apparatuses (it opened with DOGE which broadly did precisely that, they reoriented the DoD from defense to committing war crimes, they took over DOJ and turned it into a personal law firm for Trump, etc.) for the benefit of Trump. The men in his cabinet like Hegseth and Kennedy try to appeal to the testosterone laden (and deficient) crowd. Women like Bondi and Noem also tried their best manosphere impression, but of course in classic manosphere fashion, both women were booted out of the cabinet first. To the extent that the military believes, as its leader does, that they are not operating under "stupid" rules of engagement, and their purpose is "maximum lethality" with a policy of "no quarter" for adversaries, the US Military is currently a defacto manosphere army. In your view, what would a manosphere leader legitimately challenging an incumbent government apparatus look like?
      - antisthenes 6mo ago
        You have completely confused manosphere and far-right authoritarians in your mind. The manosphere movement is about fighting misandry, for men's rights, and, to be a little reductionist - how to get laid easily and avoid committing resources to women. It's basically the fan club of Andrew Tate and the likes. They are not competent or resourceful enough to take control of a government. There's an overlap in the venn diagram, sure. But it's much smaller than what you think it is.

Manosphere is a symptom, not a problem. And manosphere is a boogie-man nothing burger that has no leverage over men, since it's co-opted by grifters and scammers trying selling you courses. There's no actual "leader" there that men recognize.

general1465 7mo ago
Manosphere is perfect breeding ground for your own private army since a neolith. Currently manosphere is abused by grifters, but put there somebody with ideology who actually wants to do as much damage as possible, pool money together and you have terrorist training camp. And just to be clear, it really does not matter what ideology you will wrap your targets into.
- joe_mamba 6mo ago
  >Manosphere is perfect breeding ground for your own private army since a neolith. This is by far the silliest, most makes-zero-sense thing I read this year on HN.
NickC25 7mo ago
Some of those that you'd call grifters are actually seen as leaders by those who claim to be in the movement. That's the problem. If they admit it or not, that's besides the point - if young men look to the likes of Andrew Tate or Clavicular as thought leaders, then they look to them as thought leaders and thus said actors are leaders if they want to be or not. It's similar to how some athletes are viewed as role models even if they outright tell people "I'm not a role model, I just happen to be good at a sport".

antisthenes 7mo ago

How does it show that? Do you have any real-life examples of a manosphere leader legitimately challenging an incumbent government apparatus?

ModernMech 6mo ago
Does the current administration not fit the bill for you?
- antisthenes 6mo ago
  Are you seriously implying the entire administration is a manosphere army?
  - ModernMech 6mo ago
    I'm implying that Trump is the paragon manosphere avatar, and his administration is filled with little versions of him. The purpose of the entire administration is to challenge incumbent government apparatuses (it opened with DOGE which broadly did precisely that, they reoriented the DoD from defense to committing war crimes, they took over DOJ and turned it into a personal law firm for Trump, etc.) for the benefit of Trump. The men in his cabinet like Hegseth and Kennedy try to appeal to the testosterone laden (and deficient) crowd. Women like Bondi and Noem also tried their best manosphere impression, but of course in classic manosphere fashion, both women were booted out of the cabinet first. To the extent that the military believes, as its leader does, that they are not operating under "stupid" rules of engagement, and their purpose is "maximum lethality" with a policy of "no quarter" for adversaries, the US Military is currently a defacto manosphere army. In your view, what would a manosphere leader legitimately challenging an incumbent government apparatus look like?
    - antisthenes 6mo ago
      You have completely confused manosphere and far-right authoritarians in your mind. The manosphere movement is about fighting misandry, for men's rights, and, to be a little reductionist - how to get laid easily and avoid committing resources to women. It's basically the fan club of Andrew Tate and the likes. They are not competent or resourceful enough to take control of a government. There's an overlap in the venn diagram, sure. But it's much smaller than what you think it is.