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Yep. A bunch of unemployed and "unempowered" men sitting around leads to them thinking things like: "Maybe we shouldn't be so cooperative anymore."

joe_mamba 6mo ago
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- general1465 6mo ago
  The whole manosphere problem shows that with correct leader you can forge your own army.
  - joe_mamba 6mo ago
    Manosphere is a symptom, not a problem. And manosphere is a boogie-man nothing burger that has no leverage over men, since it's co-opted by grifters and scammers trying selling you courses. There's no actual "leader" there that men recognize.
    - general1465 6mo ago
      Manosphere is perfect breeding ground for your own private army since a neolith. Currently manosphere is abused by grifters, but put there somebody with ideology who actually wants to do as much damage as possible, pool money together and you have terrorist training camp. And just to be clear, it really does not matter what ideology you will wrap your targets into.
      - joe_mamba 6mo ago
        >Manosphere is perfect breeding ground for your own private army since a neolith. This is by far the silliest, most makes-zero-sense thing I read this year on HN.
    - NickC25 6mo ago
      Some of those that you'd call grifters are actually seen as leaders by those who claim to be in the movement. That's the problem. If they admit it or not, that's besides the point - if young men look to the likes of Andrew Tate or Clavicular as thought leaders, then they look to them as thought leaders and thus said actors are leaders if they want to be or not. It's similar to how some athletes are viewed as role models even if they outright tell people "I'm not a role model, I just happen to be good at a sport".
  - antisthenes 6mo ago
    How does it show that? Do you have any real-life examples of a manosphere leader legitimately challenging an incumbent government apparatus?
    - ModernMech 6mo ago
      Does the current administration not fit the bill for you?
      - antisthenes 6mo ago
        Are you seriously implying the entire administration is a manosphere army?
        ModernMech 6mo ago
        I'm implying that Trump is the paragon manosphere avatar, and his administration is filled with little versions of him. The purpose of the entire administration is to challenge incumbent government apparatuses (it opened with DOGE which broadly did precisely that, they reoriented the DoD from defense to committing war crimes, they took over DOJ and turned it into a personal law firm for Trump, etc.) for the benefit of Trump. The men in his cabinet like Hegseth and Kennedy try to appeal to the testosterone laden (and deficient) crowd. Women like Bondi and Noem also tried their best manosphere impression, but of course in classic manosphere fashion, both women were booted out of the cabinet first. To the extent that the military believes, as its leader does, that they are not operating under "stupid" rules of engagement, and their purpose is "maximum lethality" with a policy of "no quarter" for adversaries, the US Military is currently a defacto manosphere army. In your view, what would a manosphere leader legitimately challenging an incumbent government apparatus look like?
        antisthenes 6mo ago
        You have completely confused manosphere and far-right authoritarians in your mind. The manosphere movement is about fighting misandry, for men's rights, and, to be a little reductionist - how to get laid easily and avoid committing resources to women. It's basically the fan club of Andrew Tate and the likes. They are not competent or resourceful enough to take control of a government. There's an overlap in the venn diagram, sure. But it's much smaller than what you think it is.
- malfist 6mo ago
  Spare the fear mongering about "my testosterones!" Testosterone levels, when adjusted for BMI, are consistent. If you dont control for BMI they are declining, but thats a false comparison. Weed, video games and porn at home have nothing to do with testosterone.
  - deleted 6mo ago
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  - eudamoniac 6mo ago
    This is almost certainly false. Source?
    - renewiltord 6mo ago
      It’s in the same source that the original comment linked https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47717529 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47717529
      - eudamoniac 6mo ago
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        renewiltord 6mo ago
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        malfist 6mo ago
        Oh you didn't miss anything by not clicking on that link. Its just a let me google that for your shortener. He's not debating in good faith
- GeoAtreides 6mo ago
  was the guy who recently torched a warehouse not a threat? >“You know, if you’re not going to pay us enough ... to afford to live, at least pay us enough not to do this,” the man says while lighting a roll of toilet paper on fire.
- ModernMech 6mo ago
  Hate to break it to you, but they're already in the building. They renamed the "Department of Defense" to the "Department of War", told everyone there are no rules in war except who has the most guns wins, and then proceeded to bomb boats, invade Venezuela, send troops into American cities, and invade Iran, while eyeing Cuba and Canada and Greenland next.
antisthenes 6mo ago
So far it seems to lead to "let's play some co-op slop on Steam" this weekend, rather than anything else. The US is wealthy enough that the hedonistic treadmill works even for poor-ish disenfranchised men.

joe_mamba 6mo ago

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general1465 6mo ago
The whole manosphere problem shows that with correct leader you can forge your own army.
- joe_mamba 6mo ago
  Manosphere is a symptom, not a problem. And manosphere is a boogie-man nothing burger that has no leverage over men, since it's co-opted by grifters and scammers trying selling you courses. There's no actual "leader" there that men recognize.
  - general1465 6mo ago
    Manosphere is perfect breeding ground for your own private army since a neolith. Currently manosphere is abused by grifters, but put there somebody with ideology who actually wants to do as much damage as possible, pool money together and you have terrorist training camp. And just to be clear, it really does not matter what ideology you will wrap your targets into.
    - joe_mamba 6mo ago
      >Manosphere is perfect breeding ground for your own private army since a neolith. This is by far the silliest, most makes-zero-sense thing I read this year on HN.
  - NickC25 6mo ago
    Some of those that you'd call grifters are actually seen as leaders by those who claim to be in the movement. That's the problem. If they admit it or not, that's besides the point - if young men look to the likes of Andrew Tate or Clavicular as thought leaders, then they look to them as thought leaders and thus said actors are leaders if they want to be or not. It's similar to how some athletes are viewed as role models even if they outright tell people "I'm not a role model, I just happen to be good at a sport".
- antisthenes 6mo ago
  How does it show that? Do you have any real-life examples of a manosphere leader legitimately challenging an incumbent government apparatus?
  - ModernMech 6mo ago
    Does the current administration not fit the bill for you?
    - antisthenes 6mo ago
      Are you seriously implying the entire administration is a manosphere army?
      - ModernMech 6mo ago
        I'm implying that Trump is the paragon manosphere avatar, and his administration is filled with little versions of him. The purpose of the entire administration is to challenge incumbent government apparatuses (it opened with DOGE which broadly did precisely that, they reoriented the DoD from defense to committing war crimes, they took over DOJ and turned it into a personal law firm for Trump, etc.) for the benefit of Trump. The men in his cabinet like Hegseth and Kennedy try to appeal to the testosterone laden (and deficient) crowd. Women like Bondi and Noem also tried their best manosphere impression, but of course in classic manosphere fashion, both women were booted out of the cabinet first. To the extent that the military believes, as its leader does, that they are not operating under "stupid" rules of engagement, and their purpose is "maximum lethality" with a policy of "no quarter" for adversaries, the US Military is currently a defacto manosphere army. In your view, what would a manosphere leader legitimately challenging an incumbent government apparatus look like?
        antisthenes 6mo ago
        You have completely confused manosphere and far-right authoritarians in your mind. The manosphere movement is about fighting misandry, for men's rights, and, to be a little reductionist - how to get laid easily and avoid committing resources to women. It's basically the fan club of Andrew Tate and the likes. They are not competent or resourceful enough to take control of a government. There's an overlap in the venn diagram, sure. But it's much smaller than what you think it is.
malfist 6mo ago
Spare the fear mongering about "my testosterones!" Testosterone levels, when adjusted for BMI, are consistent. If you dont control for BMI they are declining, but thats a false comparison. Weed, video games and porn at home have nothing to do with testosterone.
- deleted 6mo ago
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- eudamoniac 6mo ago
  This is almost certainly false. Source?
  - renewiltord 6mo ago
    It’s in the same source that the original comment linked https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47717529 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47717529
    - eudamoniac 6mo ago
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      - renewiltord 6mo ago
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        malfist 6mo ago
        Oh you didn't miss anything by not clicking on that link. Its just a let me google that for your shortener. He's not debating in good faith
GeoAtreides 6mo ago
was the guy who recently torched a warehouse not a threat? >“You know, if you’re not going to pay us enough ... to afford to live, at least pay us enough not to do this,” the man says while lighting a roll of toilet paper on fire.
ModernMech 6mo ago
Hate to break it to you, but they're already in the building. They renamed the "Department of Defense" to the "Department of War", told everyone there are no rules in war except who has the most guns wins, and then proceeded to bomb boats, invade Venezuela, send troops into American cities, and invade Iran, while eyeing Cuba and Canada and Greenland next.

antisthenes 6mo ago

So far it seems to lead to "let's play some co-op slop on Steam" this weekend, rather than anything else. The US is wealthy enough that the hedonistic treadmill works even for poor-ish disenfranchised men.