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This article is not great. It doesn't link to anything other than itself and two of those links are "donate" and "subscribe". I found this Apple Insider page w
by Aurornis 7mo ago
This article is not great. It doesn't link to anything other than itself and two of those links are "donate" and "subscribe".
I found this Apple Insider page with more information and an actual description of how it works, from someone doing journalism instead of soliciting donations and subscriptions: https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/02/25/how-age-verification-works-in-ios-264 https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/02/25/how-age-verificat...
It's going to take some more searching to find an article that shows what age verification looks like for newer Apple accounts. According to that article if you have a long-standing Apple account and/or a credit card in your name in Apple Pay it might be enough to confirm you as 18+.
- zamadatix 7mo agoIt links to fca.org, gov.uk, and racfonudation.org. I think the goal of this page is activism rather than journalism though, and the donation links are a much more apt way for privacy activism funding than ads like on that news site.
- Aurornis 7mo agoI was looking for links or information about the age restrictions, not the other topics they were injecting. An article about the age restrictions should at least have some supporting evidence, or at minimum some screenshots like the article I linked.
- zamadatix 7mo agoAgree to disagree for the same reason the guidelines don't say anything about citing claims in comments: What you're looking for where claims are cited for a full background is provided, is not the only valid way to write something worthwhile on the internet. You insist this piece should be in the form of a cited and fully explanatory journalistic article when writing such a blog post signals no such goal. The intent here is to alert for support, not to be a news source about the topic. Adding the news piece is great for the conversation here, it's just dunking on the post for not being that type of piece itself is overly dismissive.
- tonyedgecombe 7mo ago>According to that article if you have a long-standing Apple account ... I can confirm that is the case.
- zimpenfish 7mo agoFinally This is the third (or fourth) update with this age check and the only one that doesn't enforce credit card (I don't have one), driving licence (I don't have one) or national ID card (I don't have one) as the only methods of verification. Absolute shambles of a rollout (and I'm hoping it was UKGOV requirements, not just Apple being braindead.)
- boysenberry 7mo agoFor me, a 12+ year old account wasn't good enough.
- zimpenfish 7mo agoThat seems ... harsh. I guess the logic must be "if it's less than 18 years, there's a slim possibility the owner is under 18." Just in case people are creating Apple accounts for their newborn, I suppose.
- neya 7mo ago[flagged]
- tomhow 7mo ago> Ah, the classic "aPpLe cAn dO nO wRoNg" comment from a thread full of nothing but Apple lovers. Hey, this is an awful comment from someone who has been on HN long enough to know better. That random capitalization thing is a cheap form of sneering, as well as being a tired old internet trope, and the whole comment breaks this guideline: Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. This site is only a place where people want to participate because most people make the effort to do better than this. Please do your part to push the standards up rather than drag them down. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- neya 7mo agoSo, are you also going to do anything about the top comment being fake news? It literally says something completely that is not true. Minus the "sneering", I think the validity of my comment remains.
- tomhow 7mo agoPlease don’t try to deflect from your own disrespectful conduct with this kind of “are you going to...?” goading. We don’t moderate on the basis of such charged qualitative judgments as “fake news”. We uphold the guidelines. If someone is wrong, point out how they are wrong, in the conversational style the guidelines clearly call for. Doing it in this sneering and hostile way only weakens your point and trashes this place.
- pipes 7mo agoThis sounds weirdly like it was generated by AI.
- Aurornis 7mo agoI get accused of AI writing a lot on Hacker News lately. It’s alway when I take time to read the article, research the subject, and come back to write a thoughtful response with additional info to add to the topic. There’s something sad about how that looks like AI to some people, I suppose compared to the average expectations for what a comment section should look like?
- zamadatix 7mo agoI've been thinking about true/false positives/negatives on this a lot lately and trying to see if there are any non-obvious signals in current AI/human text that impact those. GP's comment doesn't seem to have any of the "obvious" signals most look for, would you be willing to share what signals you latched on to for this conclusion?