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If you’re citing Matt Taibbi as a trustworthy source, man, I don’t know. He’s up there with Bari Weiss for “they’re either intentionally bad faith, stupid, or b
by tyre 7mo ago
If you’re citing Matt Taibbi as a trustworthy source, man, I don’t know. He’s up there with Bari Weiss for “they’re either intentionally bad faith, stupid, or both” levels of nuance.
These are not serious people.
- unselect5917 7mo agoI not only read what he wrote, I read the screenshots of OG twitter. And what he said mirrored what they said. They were incredibly one sided an censorious as hell. Your post is basically just an ad hominem. A fallacy.
- angoragoats 7mo agoFor something to be an ad hominem, one needs to be 1) addressing or responding to an argument 2) by attacking the character of the person making the argument rather than the substance of the argument. Even though OP didn’t provide them, I can think of many supporting examples for their assertion that Bari Weiss and Matt Taibbi are either intentionally operating in bad faith, or stupid, or both. So this does not at all meet the definition of ad hominem. Put another way: “you’re wrong because you’re stupid” is an ad hominem. “You’re wrong, and I think you’re stupid because [reason]” is not. This holds even if the person making the argument does not explicitly give the reason.
- 0ckpuppet 7mo agoHN is dead if you find yourself explaining that.
- angoragoats 7mo agoI agree.
- unselect5917 7mo agoFor something to be an ad hominem you simply need to address the speaker rather than what was said, which is exactly what that comment did. You're deliberately overcomplicating things to obfuscate the obvious fallacy.
- angoragoats 7mo ago> For something to be an ad hominem you simply need to address the speaker rather than what was said No, this is a common misconception. Addressing the speaker is part of it but is not sufficient by itself. People who are quick to claim “ad hominem!” have been getting this wrong basically forever, so please feel free to educate yourself by reading this excellent post: https://laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html https://laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html “It is not a logical fallacy to attack someone; the fallacy comes from assuming that a personal attack is also necessarily an attack on that person's arguments. Therefore, if you can't demonstrate that your opponent is trying to counter your argument by attacking you, you can't demonstrate that he is resorting to ad hominem.”
- 0ckpuppet 7mo agoTaibbi investagates, sources and cites everything he reports. Are you saying he fabricates his reporting?
- 0ckpuppet 7mo agoGlen Greenwald is not serious enough for you? He agreed with Taibbi's testimony on the Twitter censorship.