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>The math hasn’t worked out for a while now. Have the costs to post to X grown too high? The salary of someone with the technical know-how to work the social m

by smoovb 6mo ago

>The math hasn’t worked out for a while now. Have the costs to post to X grown too high? The salary of someone with the technical know-how to work the social media platform is too expensive? How does the math compare with Mastodon? Do you know about buffer.com? I started giving to EFF about 10 years ago. It's pretty much the first and only organization I have regularly given to. It always felt like a non-political organization focused squarely on the right to access. Especially with its support of the Tor project. But this news has me confused and other commenters seem to be seeing virtue signaling or politically motivation.

Redoubts 6mo ago
There was a recent leadership change at the EFF
busterarm 6mo ago
Most people don't look at the Board of Directors. And while I respect everyone on it for their achievements, from their own bios and other political work they're involved in you can clearly tell which stated goal is in service of another. I've met and spoken to at least half of them and...yeah. John Gilmore is gone. Brad Templeton is gone. John Perry Barlow is dead. The civil libertarian bent that the organization began with is long gone. EFF is a Ship of Theseus like any other.
- wyclif 6mo ago
  Your first sentence is key. Most people don't look behind the green curtain, but it's often where you find who the really important people in the org are.
squigz 6mo ago
Since when was the EFF "non-political"?
- globular-toast 6mo ago
  I believe "non-political" to Americans means not participating in the blue/red thing.
  - traderj0e 6mo ago
    Right. "Non-partisan" might be a better way to put it, but that can also be misinterpreted as officially connected to a party.
WatchDog 6mo ago
It's always been political, but it used to be non-partisan.
Freedumbs 6mo ago
Using Twitter in 2026 is a political statement. I don't consume it, but using Twitter would be supporting right wing extremism (or whatever you classify Musk as).
- traderj0e 6mo ago
  There are tons of famous people on Twitter who I'm pretty sure are not doing it as a statement of Musk alignment. There's not really any other place they'd be.
  - Freedumbs 6mo ago
    It's my opinion that the most powerful weapon consumers have is the power to vote with your time and money. Using Twitter is voting to support Elon Musk whether intentional or not.
    - traderj0e 6mo ago
      Yes it is. The people using Twitter despite this aren't doing it intentionally to support Musk, but it does help him.
- localuser13 6mo ago
  Maybe, but this is not what they claim in their post. Their official reason is that the numbers are not working out. And even if that was the reason, that doesn't make sense. They're an activist organisation, their goal is to promote their ideas to people that need to hear them, and twitter users need that more than bluesky users. Btw. I login to twitter once every few months to share my blog post or report. That's not a political statement.
  - Freedumbs 6mo ago
    I replied to a comment, not EFF. EFF is doing the correct thing, but very late. I'm not advocating for one platform over another. It is indirectly a political statement to use Twitter. You are supporting Elon Musk who has made himself a central figure in extreme right wing political views.
localuser13 6mo ago
>I started giving to EFF about 10 years ago. It's pretty much the first and only organization I have regularly given to. I'm in the same boat - not 10 years, but regularly, and a significant amount of money (for me). I'm a bit confused now. Their post is absolutely not convincing (for the reasons you outlined - tweeting does not cost anything, and despite what they say they clearly get a lot of outreach there). I think I'll evaluate their achievements with more scrutiny before my next yearly donation.
hacker161 6mo ago
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by smoovb 6mo ago

Redoubts 6mo ago

There was a recent leadership change at the EFF

busterarm 6mo ago

Most people don't look at the Board of Directors. And while I respect everyone on it for their achievements, from their own bios and other political work they're involved in you can clearly tell which stated goal is in service of another. I've met and spoken to at least half of them and...yeah. John Gilmore is gone. Brad Templeton is gone. John Perry Barlow is dead. The civil libertarian bent that the organization began with is long gone. EFF is a Ship of Theseus like any other.

wyclif 6mo ago
Your first sentence is key. Most people don't look behind the green curtain, but it's often where you find who the really important people in the org are.

squigz 6mo ago

Since when was the EFF "non-political"?

globular-toast 6mo ago
I believe "non-political" to Americans means not participating in the blue/red thing.
- traderj0e 6mo ago
  Right. "Non-partisan" might be a better way to put it, but that can also be misinterpreted as officially connected to a party.

WatchDog 6mo ago

It's always been political, but it used to be non-partisan.

Freedumbs 6mo ago

Using Twitter in 2026 is a political statement. I don't consume it, but using Twitter would be supporting right wing extremism (or whatever you classify Musk as).

traderj0e 6mo ago
There are tons of famous people on Twitter who I'm pretty sure are not doing it as a statement of Musk alignment. There's not really any other place they'd be.
- Freedumbs 6mo ago
  It's my opinion that the most powerful weapon consumers have is the power to vote with your time and money. Using Twitter is voting to support Elon Musk whether intentional or not.
  - traderj0e 6mo ago
    Yes it is. The people using Twitter despite this aren't doing it intentionally to support Musk, but it does help him.
localuser13 6mo ago
Maybe, but this is not what they claim in their post. Their official reason is that the numbers are not working out. And even if that was the reason, that doesn't make sense. They're an activist organisation, their goal is to promote their ideas to people that need to hear them, and twitter users need that more than bluesky users. Btw. I login to twitter once every few months to share my blog post or report. That's not a political statement.
- Freedumbs 6mo ago
  I replied to a comment, not EFF. EFF is doing the correct thing, but very late. I'm not advocating for one platform over another. It is indirectly a political statement to use Twitter. You are supporting Elon Musk who has made himself a central figure in extreme right wing political views.

localuser13 6mo ago

>I started giving to EFF about 10 years ago. It's pretty much the first and only organization I have regularly given to. I'm in the same boat - not 10 years, but regularly, and a significant amount of money (for me). I'm a bit confused now. Their post is absolutely not convincing (for the reasons you outlined - tweeting does not cost anything, and despite what they say they clearly get a lot of outreach there). I think I'll evaluate their achievements with more scrutiny before my next yearly donation.

hacker161 6mo ago

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