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But it's worth their time to stay on platforms like Bluesky and Mastodon? Something isn't adding up.
by takoid 6mo ago
But it's worth their time to stay on platforms like Bluesky and Mastodon? Something isn't adding up.
- VHRanger 6mo agoThere's presumably engagement on those two. It's better to have a smaller core of highly engaged people than a mass of disengaged eyeballs glazing over.
- hrimfaxi 6mo agoDoes it have to be either/or?
- philistine 6mo agoVolunteer your time to do a dual strategy with content that fits both. Comms takes time, the EFF is adapting its comm strategy.
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- hrimfaxi 6mo agoPushing messages out to multiple platforms is a solved problem. Parent said > It's better to have a smaller core of highly engaged people than a mass of disengaged eyeballs glazing over. which to me, it's better to spew a message out into the ether with the chance that someone might happen upon it rather than close things off entirely.
- omgmajk 6mo agoSurely copy-pasting a short text and possibly a link is not actual work that takes time. All they would need to do is set up some cross-posting pipeline and the work would be pretty much zero. They could even drive people to click on mastodon/bsky links this way if they wanted people to go to the decentralized web. This take is not valid.
- Rover222 6mo agoRetreating into smaller and smaller echo chambers where they get their way?
- nerevarthelame 6mo agoThey're also still posting on LinkedIn, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and YouTube (in addition to BlueSky and Mastodon). It's silly to suggest that anything outside of X is an echo chamber, or that one must communicate on a platform dominated by white supremacists to expose your ideas to a diverse audience.
- mlrtime 6mo ago"...and we win by putting our time, skills, and members’ support where they will have the most impact. Right now, that means Bluesky, Mastodon, LinkedIn, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, YouTube" So pretty much all major sites except X. They are saying LinkedIn is more important to reach people than X, really?
- nerevarthelame 6mo agoOn average, they're getting <9,000 views per post on X. With 100 - 150K followers on both Bluesky and Mastodon, I'd expect their impressions to beat those X numbers. But as they say in the article, their reason for leaving isn't solely the low impressions. It's the low impressions, plus "Musk fired the entire human rights team and laid off staffers in countries where the company previously fought off censorship demands from repressive regimes," plus X's unwillingness to give users more control, consider end-to-end DM encryption, or offer transparent moderation.
- Ferret7446 6mo agoSo the real reason is Musk, hidden amongst some platitudes to make the political motivation less obvious.
- idiotsecant 6mo agoIts wild that we've gotten to the point that 'allows tyrants to silence users on their platform' is no longer something we're allowed to dislike without it being a 'political' stance. Some time in the last 30 years acting like a reasonable and decent human being became a political statement.
- hacker161 6mo ago[flagged]
- mlrtime 6mo agoThis is BS to be honest, they don't like Musk, which is ok, I have no problem with that. And they are reconstructing a reason to leave. Musk fired 90+% of Twitter, not just the human rights team.
- lynndotpy 6mo agoYou can just look at the numbers. They're seeing 15x more engagement on BlueSky, and even more engagement on Mastodon compared to X: X post: 124 comments, 79 reblogs, and 337 likes BlueSky post: 245 comments, 1400 reblogs, and 6.2K likes Mastodon post: 403 reposts, 458 likes There's more ROI posting on BlueSky or Mastodon, even ignoring the fact that BlueSky and Mastodon are projects clearly more aligned with internet freedom than X is. (edited for clarity)
- philistine 6mo agoAnd the EFF is also looking at conversion rates for those views. Are you convinced that the Elon-pilled still on X are interested in donations to the EFF compared with the weirdos on Mastodon?
- herewulf 6mo agoThis is on point but someone is taking offense by being called a "weirdo" (thus the down votes, I think). Yes, we are weirdos on alternate social media, just like we are weirdos who use Linux, Emacs, write Lisp, etc.. It's weird, i.e.: Unusual. "Geek" might have been a better term to use though. Geeks and weirdos donate to EFF. :)
- poisonarena 6mo agocant they just copy an paste the same messages? like are they trying to manage critical 'seconds' and the eff?
- 93po 6mo agoThat's why this is clearly a political jab and not a real decision.
- idiotsecant 6mo agoIf there is an organization who should be promoting federated, decentralized social media services over centralized robber baron engagement factories more than the EFF, I don't know who it would be. Its not political to prefer open systems.
- archagon 6mo agoWell, perhaps it's time to reconsider your perception of Bluesky and Mastodon.
- theshackleford 6mo ago> Something isn't adding up. Yes, it’s your inability to do even the most basic verification of the data underlying your understanding before making claims.
- happosai 6mo agoThe reason to leave ex-twitter and the reason to keep using lesser platforms may not be the same reason. Probably the reason EFF keeps using mastodon/bluesky is not for reach, but to support federated platforms. As an activist organization EFF needs reach people, but also it needs to show people alternatives to surveillance capitalism exist and encourage their use.
- riffraff 6mo agoBluesky and mastodon are the direction the EFF would like the internet to take, so their presence there is not tied to effectiveness in the same way.