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Astounds me that anyone is still using that platform after seeing how Musk treated the engineers when he took over.
by jesse_dot_id 6mo ago
Astounds me that anyone is still using that platform after seeing how Musk treated the engineers when he took over.
- SecretDreams 6mo agoYou'd be surprised how easy it is for people to compartmentalize their principles. Many do it day to day every time they purchase something online that was probably made using less than ideal labour practices. Still, I'd advocate to leave social media in general. And certainly to get off twitter.
- reg_dunlop 6mo agoHmm, I'd argue what you call "compartmentalize their principles" is in fact, NOT having principles. Correct me if I'm wrong: I'm asserting that having a principle is an inalienable belief that actually guides behavior, not selectively applies to behavior. Though generally: yes, I agree: get off twitter, and I'd go a step further and say..minimize all social media involvement.
- SecretDreams 6mo agoI agree with your sentiment. But if we go this rigid with it, we might find that the majority of humanity does not have principles.
- solid_fuel 6mo agoI would assert that a principle is a belief which guides behavior, yes, but with the understanding that the weight of the guidance and the weight of the conviction varies. I don't mean that in a fully negative way, since belief and choices are rarely atomic. Take, for example, someone who believes animals shouldn't suffer unnecessarily. That can manifest anywhere from veganism to just avoiding factory farmed meat. I wouldn't point at any one position on that spectrum and say they don't believe their own stated principle, but I would say that some have weaker convictions than others.
- reg_dunlop 6mo agoYeah this is an interesting relationship between interconnected concepts: principles, beliefs and convictions. I agree with your assertion regarding the degree to which a principle guides behavior. And id probably walk back my original position somewhat, because having a principle and adhering to it absolutely and fanatically is untenable at most and inconvenient at least. Still, I'd argue there's value in a human engaging in some sort of periodic "principles audit" to take stock of their past behaviors/actions and recalibrate future behavior. Then again, I'm an optimist....
- solid_fuel 6mo ago> Still, I'd argue there's value in a human engaging in some sort of periodic "principles audit" to take stock of their past behaviors/actions and recalibrate future behavior. I do agree with this. I would call it "introspection" and a healthy person should be fairly introspective in general, either taking dedicated time to consider their actions and beliefs, or continually keeping them in mind when making decisions.
- satvikpendem 6mo agoLots of good discussion there still if you follow the right people and block certain categories of discussion. If you use lists then you'll see no suggested content beyond who you follow. I'm more astounded that people think every single part of it is a cesspool when in reality there are gems to be found that aren't in any other X alternative like Bluesky or Mastodon or (lol) Threads.
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- satvikpendem 6mo agoHow is it a poor take? Yes that's exactly what I said to do. It's the same as Reddit, I don't read whatever garbage is on r/all, I follow specific subreddits. Honestly people should curate no matter what social media they're on and find ways to stop seeing suggested content; my Instagram shows me only people I follow too, via a third party app/mod.
- btown 6mo agoThis would be true if the algorithm changes were limited to for-you feeds. But the larger problem is that the set of people willing to pay for X are boosted in replies. So if that set of people, which tends towards a certain political bias, is hostile towards a poster, that poster will be driven away from posting on X. The net result is that X shows breaking news, in the same way that the (infamous) meme of bullet holes marked on the WWII plane only shows part of the story - the people who have departed the platform aren't posting, and thus X is only breaking news from a subset of people. This might be fine for certain types of topics. For understanding the zeitgeist on culture and politics, though, you can't filter your way towards hearing from voices that are no longer posting at all.
- satvikpendem 6mo agoI don't care about culture and politics on X, in fact it is something I actively block. By discussion I mean tech news and trends, ie how is someone using the latest AI model or what new project was created, that sort of stuff. The people I follow provide me that, not politics. If you're there for politics then I agree with your point, look elsewhere.
- ghshephard 6mo agoI was recently at a brown bag at work - regarding enablement of AI in the workplace (it was awesome - all over the roadmap) - and one of the audience asked the speakers (a very diverse group of people) how on earth they keep up with all the developments in AI? All six of the speakers immediately said Twitter was realistically the only place you can keep up with the conversation. Having an extensively curated list means that anytime anything breaks (and often a few hours before) you are going to hear about it on X/Twitter. I would love to know if there is anything even close to the reach of X. It has a lot of problems - but if you want to track breaking news, I can't think of anything else close to it.
- trollbridge 6mo agoWell, Twitter has a lot of separate spheres. It's pretty easy to curate just tpot (the part that concerns itself with the Bay area, venture capital, and so forth) by following the right people and then engaging with posts that are on-topic.
- nailer 6mo agoWhat does the abbreviation stand for?
- trollbridge 6mo ago"That part of Twitter."
- nailer 6mo agotwcu
- alex1138 6mo agobsky is meant to hold the promise of control your algorithm, I don't see why that can't be the model going forward
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- 650REDHAIR 6mo agoHe banned me after I replied to his tweet with my display name set as "Elon's Musk". I think I lasted <1 week after this takeover.
- sixothree 6mo agoAlmost as bad as saying vaccines are safe and effective.
- account42 6mo agoSo you got banned for trolling and this is supposed to mean what exactly?
- expedition32 6mo agoSelf proclaimed libertarians always fall apart when the freedom is used against them. Reminds me of Christians and free will.
- 650REDHAIR 6mo agoI thought Twitter post-Elon was a free speech zone where "comedy is legal again"?
- numpad0 6mo agoIt's cheaper to try to extort more out of a sucker than setting up a proper decentralized alternative. That's how I personally see what's going on, that nobody is moving out but everyone focus on gaming the system.
- xigoi 6mo agoAstounds me that anyone was using the platform even before Musk took over it.
- yodsanklai 6mo agoOf all the things he did or said, this is pretty benign
- 93po 6mo agoThe same as most tech companies treat their employees?
- lta 6mo agoThat's just a drop compared to the ocean compared to this one time when he performed multiple nazi salute in front of an entire country, or when he single handedly decided to intervene in a foreign war via Star link control or when he messed with entire branches of the American government
- WatchDog 6mo ago> nazi salute, foreign war intervention, government influence Leading with the supposed "nazi salute" really detracts from the other, much more legitimate and substantive issues you raised.
- SV_BubbleTime 6mo agoDisagree. It tells me all I need to know about the person riled up about it.
- kevin061 6mo agoYes, it tells you that they're normal unlike people who are still arguing today how Musk didn't actually do a nazi salute.
- SV_BubbleTime 6mo agoYes. You are normal relative to the people that are easily programmed to hate on command and ignore rationality. Ya ya; Musk is such a secret Nazi that he accidentally gave himself away with a wave that used to be commonplace and fell out of fashion after WWII; way before Musk was born. You cracked the code!
- tovej 6mo agoSupposed? He slapped his chest, and flung his arm hard into a heil. And then he turned around and heiled the flag. He grew up in apartheid South Africa, where his grandparents moved because they wanted to support apartheid. His grandparents were nazis; as in Errol Musk has stated they were in the "German [Nazi] Party but in Canada", and supported Hitler in the 1940s. Elon would have picked up on these influences, and Elon himself has supported AFD, the current german nazi party. By all accounts, it's not out of character for Elon to heil. I mean, if we for some reason are discounting the obvious visual evidence that he did, in fact, heil. Pleas explain to me how that wasn't a nazi salute.
- pie_flavor 6mo agoWhy am I supposed to care about that, as a platform user? Twitter isn't a jobs program for a particular set of engineers. I'll leave when it stops being entertaining. Comments like these are so weird.
- jesse_dot_id 6mo agoBecause empathy is a trait of intelligence.
- pie_flavor 6mo agoWow let me just never touch another piece of software whose developers suffered a layoff ever. That's what a trait of intelligence looks like.
- ergocoder 6mo ago> how Musk treated the engineers Probably the least impactful factor for most users. Unfortunately, independent of the politics, Musk destroyed X with many many odd decisions. Rebranding from Twitter to X is one of the top ones.
- unselect5917 6mo agoRight now it's the #1 news app on the App Store. reddit is #4, NYT is #11, Fox is #16, AP is #18, CNN is #21. The rational question isn't "Why is anyone still using it?", it's "Why aren't you?" The answer would appear to be emotional/ideological on your part, which is fine, but not very honest to express like this.