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Those "conservative opinions" were usually violent hate speech. There was no shortage of "conservative opinions" pre-buyout. I think people were just upset cer

Those "conservative opinions" were usually violent hate speech. There was no shortage of "conservative opinions" pre-buyout. I think people were just upset certain figures were held to the TOS.

fooey 6mo ago
Yeah, the followup to that "censorship of conservative opinions" complaint is always "which opinions are those" It's a perfect analogue for asking confederate fans, "state's rights to do what?"
- xigoi 6mo ago
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- will4274 6mo ago
  In this case, it was the opinions of the politician who would receive more votes than anybody else in the history of the USA just a few years later.
fourseventy 6mo ago
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throwawaypath 6mo ago
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- chaosharmonic 6mo ago
  You're leaving out "gonna be wild!" and a tirade about personally being let down by Mike Pence.
- mikeyouse 6mo ago
  Which of those did Twitter suppress?
  - traderj0e 6mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X search for "gender", at least one was a Congressman
- knowaveragejoe 6mo ago
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  - throwawaypath 6mo ago
    Yes they were: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47707893 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47707893
    - knowaveragejoe 6mo ago
      I'm convinced you didn't actually look through this and just assume that these were bans for mentioning something like "there are only two genders".
      - throwawaypath 6mo ago
        I did look through this, and it absolutely corroborates people, including sitting politicians, were banned for believing and stating objective facts about human biology. Sorry that facts get in the way of the narrative.
- hn_acc1 6mo ago
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nosefurhairdo 6mo ago
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- bigyabai 6mo ago
  > twitter was actively working with federal government That's your problem? Wait until you get around to the Snowden Files, you'll be floored.
  - traderj0e 6mo ago
    "working with federal government to censor speech" is a 1A violation on the government's side
    - bigyabai 6mo ago
      Privately owned platforms are not required to respect the First Amendment. Neither Twitter nor X can guarantee your freedoms.
      - traderj0e 6mo ago
        Of course not. Those platforms have 1A rights. In some cases, the US govt violated those rights by pressuring them to take down viewpoints, hence what I said about "1A violation on the government's side." In other cases, the platform did it all on their own. That's perfectly legal but is also rightfully seen by users as political censorship, something the EFF claims to fight even when it's not from the govt.
        the_why_of_y 6mo ago
        https://www.techdirt.com/2022/12/07/hello-youve-been-referred-here-because-youre-wrong-about-twitter-and-hunter-bidens-laptop/ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/12/07/hello-youve-been-referre...
        traderj0e 6mo ago
CodeWriter23 6mo ago
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lacy_tinpot 6mo ago
"were usually violent hate speech" Did we forget "Vote blue no matter who"??? It was often as mundane as disagreeing with ANY democrat politician/their policies. Sometimes it wasn't even a right-wing voice, but from more Left leaning voices that got banned/ostracized.
MSFT_Edging 6mo ago
I can't edit any more, but for all those saying "they got banned for saying 'men can't get pregnant'", I can guarantee 9 times out of 10, there was some imagery of a trans person hanging themselves in the comments. That's how far-right opinions work. A small wedge to normalize the violent message that comes next. A "man getting pregnant" didn't hurt them, but the deluge of death threats from the stochastic response sure hurt a lot more people. I've spent way too much time on twitter. That site is a cesspit but you cannot reasonably try to say "they're just opinions". It was organized. "influencers" received money to stoke harassment campaigns. Without moderation, aka cutting off the people stoking the harassment flames, it becomes a Nazi bar, just like it is today. Here is an example of what the bans were trying to prevent, look at the comments of someone's last tweet. They killed themselves. The replies are who complained about censorship: https://x.com/burntfishie/status/1918223771313561872?s=20 https://x.com/burntfishie/status/1918223771313561872?s=20
- zryn 6mo ago
  It wasn't just far-right messaging being censored. Left-leaning feminists were being banned for stating that men aren't women, see e.g. https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/11/28/meghan-murphy-and-the-silencing-of-women/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/11/28/meghan-murphy-and-t....

Those "conservative opinions" were usually violent hate speech. There was no shortage of "conservative opinions" pre-buyout. I think people were just upset certain figures were held to the TOS.

fooey 6mo ago

Yeah, the followup to that "censorship of conservative opinions" complaint is always "which opinions are those" It's a perfect analogue for asking confederate fans, "state's rights to do what?"

xigoi 6mo ago
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will4274 6mo ago
In this case, it was the opinions of the politician who would receive more votes than anybody else in the history of the USA just a few years later.

fourseventy 6mo ago

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throwawaypath 6mo ago

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chaosharmonic 6mo ago
You're leaving out "gonna be wild!" and a tirade about personally being let down by Mike Pence.
mikeyouse 6mo ago
Which of those did Twitter suppress?
- traderj0e 6mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X search for "gender", at least one was a Congressman
knowaveragejoe 6mo ago
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- throwawaypath 6mo ago
  Yes they were: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47707893 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47707893
  - knowaveragejoe 6mo ago
    I'm convinced you didn't actually look through this and just assume that these were bans for mentioning something like "there are only two genders".
    - throwawaypath 6mo ago
      I did look through this, and it absolutely corroborates people, including sitting politicians, were banned for believing and stating objective facts about human biology. Sorry that facts get in the way of the narrative.
hn_acc1 6mo ago
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nosefurhairdo 6mo ago

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bigyabai 6mo ago
> twitter was actively working with federal government That's your problem? Wait until you get around to the Snowden Files, you'll be floored.
- traderj0e 6mo ago
  "working with federal government to censor speech" is a 1A violation on the government's side
  - bigyabai 6mo ago
    Privately owned platforms are not required to respect the First Amendment. Neither Twitter nor X can guarantee your freedoms.
    - traderj0e 6mo ago
      Of course not. Those platforms have 1A rights. In some cases, the US govt violated those rights by pressuring them to take down viewpoints, hence what I said about "1A violation on the government's side." In other cases, the platform did it all on their own. That's perfectly legal but is also rightfully seen by users as political censorship, something the EFF claims to fight even when it's not from the govt.
      - the_why_of_y 6mo ago
        https://www.techdirt.com/2022/12/07/hello-youve-been-referred-here-because-youre-wrong-about-twitter-and-hunter-bidens-laptop/ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/12/07/hello-youve-been-referre...
        traderj0e 6mo ago

CodeWriter23 6mo ago

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lacy_tinpot 6mo ago

"were usually violent hate speech" Did we forget "Vote blue no matter who"??? It was often as mundane as disagreeing with ANY democrat politician/their policies. Sometimes it wasn't even a right-wing voice, but from more Left leaning voices that got banned/ostracized.

MSFT_Edging 6mo ago

I can't edit any more, but for all those saying "they got banned for saying 'men can't get pregnant'", I can guarantee 9 times out of 10, there was some imagery of a trans person hanging themselves in the comments. That's how far-right opinions work. A small wedge to normalize the violent message that comes next. A "man getting pregnant" didn't hurt them, but the deluge of death threats from the stochastic response sure hurt a lot more people. I've spent way too much time on twitter. That site is a cesspit but you cannot reasonably try to say "they're just opinions". It was organized. "influencers" received money to stoke harassment campaigns. Without moderation, aka cutting off the people stoking the harassment flames, it becomes a Nazi bar, just like it is today. Here is an example of what the bans were trying to prevent, look at the comments of someone's last tweet. They killed themselves. The replies are who complained about censorship: https://x.com/burntfishie/status/1918223771313561872?s=20 https://x.com/burntfishie/status/1918223771313561872?s=20

zryn 6mo ago
It wasn't just far-right messaging being censored. Left-leaning feminists were being banned for stating that men aren't women, see e.g. https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/11/28/meghan-murphy-and-the-silencing-of-women/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/11/28/meghan-murphy-and-t....