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freedom is intersectional. it's hard to fight for freedom while supporting those that actively limit the freedom of others, especially when the amount of impres
by mghackerlady 7mo ago
freedom is intersectional. it's hard to fight for freedom while supporting those that actively limit the freedom of others, especially when the amount of impressions are no longer worth doing it for
- nailer 7mo ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 7mo ago> You don’t have a freedom to make anyone else agree with or believe in your views… No one has asserted this. If your views suck, people have the freedom to say "ok, bye". (Musk asserts otherwise, of course. https://www.npr.org/2025/02/01/nx-s1-5283271/elon-musk-lawsuit-advertisers-boycott-new https://www.npr.org/2025/02/01/nx-s1-5283271/elon-musk-lawsu...)
- greenavocado 7mo ago[flagged]
- nailer 7mo ago[flagged]
- cycomanic 7mo agoI think that's the point. The owner of X as well as most of the remaining denizens are actively working on taking away the freedom of others to believe in their own views and make them adhere to their beliefs.
- greenavocado 7mo ago[flagged]
- mghackerlady 7mo agoThat works until that person is influential enough to sway political and social conditions drastically
- greenavocado 7mo agoso the argument is that someone is so influential their tweets are basically mind control, but also you need to leave the platform to stop them? if musk is that powerful, your absence from x isn't doing anything. and if he's not that powerful, then you're just mad about a guy you disagree with having a big megaphone.
- ceejayoz 7mo ago[dead]
- greenavocado 7mo ago"freedom is intersectional" is a fancy way of saying "I only support freedom for people I agree with." and the impressions line at the end is basically admitting it was never about principles, it was about clout. you didn't leave the platform because of ethics, you left because the algorithm stopped paying you for it.
- mghackerlady 7mo ago>"freedom is intersectional" is a fancy way of saying "I only support freedom for people I agree with." That is the exact opposite of what that means. It means freedom should be supported for all, especially for the oppressed. Those who stand for oppression in one way serve to benefit other forms of oppression
- greenavocado 7mo ago[flagged]
- miyoji 7mo agoWhat? Freedom of association implicitly means freedom not to associate. It is not at all incompatible with freedom to say, "I don't want to hang out with those guys because they suck." I believe in freedom of speech for people that I don't want to talk to. There is no contradiction in that.
- greenavocado 7mo agothat's fair, but nobody here was arguing you can't leave. the point is that the original post framed leaving as some grand moral act of defending intersectional freedom when it's just choosing not to hang out somewhere. you're allowed to do that. just don't dress it up as activism.
- kmeisthax 7mo agoUniversality of human rights is a great principle that breaks down horribly the moment it makes contact with people who do not want you to have those rights. Like, even if you're a single-issue free speech maximalist, it is entirely self-defeating to argue that censorious tyrants should be afforded the benefits of free speech. The only purpose tyrants have of free speech is to use it to amass power to destroy free speech. And yes, to be clear, Elon Musk is a censorious tyrant. All the big tech leaders are, both because some of them started out as outright fascists and because the rules of the tech CEO game are, in the Nash equilibrium, unfavorable to liberal ideals. Dehumanization is another common tactic of tyrants. You look at the group of dissidents you want to censor, identify those who are weak enough to silence, and use your control over society and government to make them pay for not being on their side. Rinse and repeat until you've salami-sliced away every dissident's rights. The only effective means of stopping dehumanization is to render it ineffective by making lots of friends who understand and defend against these attacks. [0] The interminably dense social justice literature uses jargon terms like "solidarity" and "intersectionality", which seem almost calculated to piss off the unenlightened into reflexively opposing social justice because we might as well be wizards chanting Latin curses at people to sound smart. But the idea is simple. So yes, freedom is intersectional - because it it ultimately comes from the people as a whole exercising their power to check the power of tyrants. [0] "Apes together strong", in case HN doesn't render emoji correctly.
- tptacek 7mo agoThat's explicitly not the logic EFF is using; they come close to outright rejecting it.
- jasonlotito 7mo ago> ... when the amount of impressions are no longer worth doing it for > The Numbers Aren't Working Out I don't know. That's front and center. Can to share how that's an "outright rejection"?
- tptacek 7mo agoThey explicitly say they're staying on other platforms whose ideologies they don't agree with.
- mghackerlady 7mo agoBecause there's enough people there to be worth it It's like how the Soviets and the Americans were allies in world war II, the pros outweighed the cons
- billfor 7mo agoWas it costing a lot of money or resources to say on X? If they got few impressions what does it matter? You can write the content once.
- jasonlotito 7mo ago> Was it costing a lot of money or resources to say on X? Yes. > If they got few impressions what does it matter? Because, it was costing a lot of money or resources to stay on X. Kind of an odd follow up to your previous question. > You can write the content once. Pretty sure they know how to write content considering we are reading it.
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- geertj 7mo agoWhat exactly has Elon done to limit your freedom? For me, Elon has increased my freedom because I can read about certain viewpoints that were previously censored on Twitter.
- MengerSponge 7mo agoBro. He's still censoring viewpoints. He's also boosting his ideological viewpoints, which diminishes the reach of everything else. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-elon-musk-uses-his-x-social-media-platform-to-amplify-right-wing-views https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-elon-musk-uses-his... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/04/23/business/elon-musk-x-suppression-laura-loomer.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/04/23/business/elon...
- nailer 7mo ago[flagged]
- dmix 7mo ago[flagged]
- geertj 7mo ago[flagged]
- boznz 7mo agoI don't even see the option to flag a users post. is it some HN elite option?
- account42 7mo agoIt's not available to new users (I think there is a "karma" threshold but not sure about the exact number) and you need to to a direct link to the comment (e.g. click the time in the comment header) to see the option.
- Brendinooo 7mo ago> freedom is intersectional What is your working definition of freedom? I'm interested in replying but I'd like to engage with you on your terms.