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the fact that this is a widely accepted/encouraged practice is genuinely unhinged

mtlmtlmtlmtl 7mo ago
Why? Nothing wrong with running your network interface in a VM. There are reasons for doing so even if drivers aren't an issue. Qubes OS does this, for instance, for security reasons.
- wolvoleo 7mo ago
  Windows also does. Almost everything is a VM in windows these days. It's just how things work these days. If you'd say "I run my VPN client in a docker container" it would raise a lot less eyebrows. Yet it's not very different, really. Though conceptually I'd frown at having to run Linux. I'd prefer upgrading the hardware to a supported chip.
  - PunchyHamster 7mo ago
    Windows isn't running entire fucking separate kernel to run wifi driver, the fuck you're talking about
    - evanjrowley 7mo ago
      Definitely not independent kernels but my guess is he's referring to Virtualization-Based Security (VBS) - it gets turned on by default if your Win10/11 system has virtualization enabled. One such example security solution is memory integrity, which protects and hardens Windows by running kernel mode code integrity within the isolated virtual environment of VBS. Kernel mode code integrity is the Windows process that checks all kernel mode drivers and binaries before they're started, and prevents unsigned or untrusted drivers or system files from being loaded into system memory. I suppose this applies to Wi-Fi drivers? Link: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/oem-vbs https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...
- NooneAtAll3 7mo ago
  no matter how it's implemented, it must not be a user-requiring (or even user-facing) task
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 7mo ago
    Why not? FreeBSD has never been intended as a batteries included, everything "just works" out of the box OS. It's meant to have a bare minimum install and let the user choose how things are set up. You can disagree with that philosophy, but that's not an indictment of FreeBSD. Just go use something that aligns better with your preferences.
skydhash 7mo ago
Not really weird when some firmware are close to being full blown OS. An alpine VM can be run with 64 MB which is lower than a lot of software.
- fullstop 7mo ago
  I've used cellular modems which run Linux or ThreadX internally.
  - mlfreeman 7mo ago
    Weren't there iPhones that had wifi chips that ran Linux?
- Hasslequest 7mo ago
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Why? Nothing wrong with running your network interface in a VM. There are reasons for doing so even if drivers aren't an issue. Qubes OS does this, for instance, for security reasons.

wolvoleo 7mo ago
Windows also does. Almost everything is a VM in windows these days. It's just how things work these days. If you'd say "I run my VPN client in a docker container" it would raise a lot less eyebrows. Yet it's not very different, really. Though conceptually I'd frown at having to run Linux. I'd prefer upgrading the hardware to a supported chip.
- PunchyHamster 7mo ago
  Windows isn't running entire fucking separate kernel to run wifi driver, the fuck you're talking about
  - evanjrowley 7mo ago
    Definitely not independent kernels but my guess is he's referring to Virtualization-Based Security (VBS) - it gets turned on by default if your Win10/11 system has virtualization enabled. One such example security solution is memory integrity, which protects and hardens Windows by running kernel mode code integrity within the isolated virtual environment of VBS. Kernel mode code integrity is the Windows process that checks all kernel mode drivers and binaries before they're started, and prevents unsigned or untrusted drivers or system files from being loaded into system memory. I suppose this applies to Wi-Fi drivers? Link: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/oem-vbs https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...
NooneAtAll3 7mo ago
no matter how it's implemented, it must not be a user-requiring (or even user-facing) task
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 7mo ago
  Why not? FreeBSD has never been intended as a batteries included, everything "just works" out of the box OS. It's meant to have a bare minimum install and let the user choose how things are set up. You can disagree with that philosophy, but that's not an indictment of FreeBSD. Just go use something that aligns better with your preferences.

skydhash 7mo ago

Not really weird when some firmware are close to being full blown OS. An alpine VM can be run with 64 MB which is lower than a lot of software.

fullstop 7mo ago
I've used cellular modems which run Linux or ThreadX internally.
- mlfreeman 7mo ago
  Weren't there iPhones that had wifi chips that ran Linux?
Hasslequest 7mo ago
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