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That's a very small list.

badgersnake 6mo ago
It’s a subset of a subset. The sets being (FreeBSD users (with laptops (who can be bothered to write about them on an obscure wiki)))
guenthert 6mo ago
Yeah, compare to https://ubuntu.com/certified/laptops https://ubuntu.com/certified/laptops it is. Years ago, there was a project combining Debian with the kernel from FreeBSD. That never made sense to me and the project seems to have died meanwhile. More sensible, IMHO, might be to bolt the FreeBSD user space unto the Linux kernel. That way one would get fairly broad and current hardware support and could still enjoy a classic Unix look&feel and stable ABI.
- theragra 6mo ago
  Moreover, many laptops working on Linux perfectly, are not Ubuntu certified. Lenovo Legion series generally works well, but it is not in the Ubuntu list. Id we'd make a list of all 8/10 or more compatible laptops, it would be huge.
- skydhash 6mo ago
  > More sensible, IMHO, might be to bolt the FreeBSD user space unto the Linux kernel. A lot of BSD utilities that are not POSIX has really close interaction with the kernel. OpenBSD’s *ctl binaries are often the user-facing part of some OS subsystem. Linux subsystem often expose a very complex internal that you need to use some other project to tame down
- yjftsjthsd-h 6mo ago
  IMHO the biggest advantage that Debian/kFreeBSD would have had would be first-class ZFS support. You can use ZFS with Debian today, but the license problem means it only gets supported through DKMS, which is a pain; a FreeBSD-based Debian could ship binary packages for ZFS that just worked out of the box.
  - evanjrowley 6mo ago
    Considering the amount of Linux distros based on Debian, it is truly a shame that Debian/kFreeBSD stagnated. We could have had Proxmox/kFreeBSD with support for ZFS Boot environments! The evolution of FreeNAS/TrueNAS demonstrates things have been going in the opposite direction.
- tbe 6mo ago
  > More sensible, IMHO, might be to bolt the FreeBSD user space unto the Linux kernel. Chimera Linux is doing something like this, although without aiming for the full BSD experience, just utilising its core userland [1]. The project is in an alpha stage. 1: https://chimera-linux.org/about#alternative-userland https://chimera-linux.org/about#alternative-userland

It’s a subset of a subset. The sets being (FreeBSD users (with laptops (who can be bothered to write about them on an obscure wiki)))

guenthert 6mo ago

Yeah, compare to https://ubuntu.com/certified/laptops https://ubuntu.com/certified/laptops it is. Years ago, there was a project combining Debian with the kernel from FreeBSD. That never made sense to me and the project seems to have died meanwhile. More sensible, IMHO, might be to bolt the FreeBSD user space unto the Linux kernel. That way one would get fairly broad and current hardware support and could still enjoy a classic Unix look&feel and stable ABI.

theragra 6mo ago
Moreover, many laptops working on Linux perfectly, are not Ubuntu certified. Lenovo Legion series generally works well, but it is not in the Ubuntu list. Id we'd make a list of all 8/10 or more compatible laptops, it would be huge.
skydhash 6mo ago
> More sensible, IMHO, might be to bolt the FreeBSD user space unto the Linux kernel. A lot of BSD utilities that are not POSIX has really close interaction with the kernel. OpenBSD’s *ctl binaries are often the user-facing part of some OS subsystem. Linux subsystem often expose a very complex internal that you need to use some other project to tame down
yjftsjthsd-h 6mo ago
IMHO the biggest advantage that Debian/kFreeBSD would have had would be first-class ZFS support. You can use ZFS with Debian today, but the license problem means it only gets supported through DKMS, which is a pain; a FreeBSD-based Debian could ship binary packages for ZFS that just worked out of the box.
- evanjrowley 6mo ago
  Considering the amount of Linux distros based on Debian, it is truly a shame that Debian/kFreeBSD stagnated. We could have had Proxmox/kFreeBSD with support for ZFS Boot environments! The evolution of FreeNAS/TrueNAS demonstrates things have been going in the opposite direction.
tbe 6mo ago
> More sensible, IMHO, might be to bolt the FreeBSD user space unto the Linux kernel. Chimera Linux is doing something like this, although without aiming for the full BSD experience, just utilising its core userland [1]. The project is in an alpha stage. 1: https://chimera-linux.org/about#alternative-userland https://chimera-linux.org/about#alternative-userland