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I don't see them begging anywhere, I only see someone sharing a link to their donate page. For what it's worth because legal names are confusingly similar, thi

I don't see them begging anywhere, I only see someone sharing a link to their donate page. For what it's worth because legal names are confusingly similar, this is a legal subsidiary of Mozilla that is specific to Thunderbird, as in if you give it money it goes straight into Thunderbird. Many people here pretend to wish to be able to give money directly to Firefox, yet when they can do that for Thunderbird, people here are still finding bullshit reasons not to do so. Pick a lane.

swiftcoder 6mo ago
> For what it's worth because legal names are confusingly similar, this is a legal subsidiary of Mozilla that is specific to Thunderbird Right, I get that, but why is it for-profit? Fund raising is hard enough for nonprofits, convincing people to donate their hard-earned cash to a for-profit is on a whole different level.
- input_sh 6mo ago
  I'm definitely not involved with any of them to know for sure, but my guess would be that's because non-profits come with a lot more regulatory overhead in comparison to for-profits of a similar scale. Not saying that's bad in any way, but for a team that just wants to build the damn thing, for-profits are absolutely less of a hassle.
  - account42 6mo ago
    Sure but if they want people to donate they better be ready to explain their decisions. All that extra overhead is there to ensure that the nonprofit is actually a nonprofit doing what it says it's doing after all.
- Vinnl 6mo ago
  One thing that's important to note (which holds for the Mozilla Corporation too) is that the for-profit thing is a legal status, but the Foundation (an official non-profit) is the only shareholder, i.e. the only entity that "profit" can flow to. So you're not lining some billionaire's pockets. (Though of course, employees of either entity can be paid whatever, which also holds for every other non-profit.)
- glenstein 6mo ago
  My understanding is the for-profit structure was necessary in order to be able to do the search licensing deals finance Firefox.
  - swiftcoder 6mo ago
    That’s a separate for-profit. This one is narrowly scoped to operate thunderbird
  - debugnik 6mo ago
    No, MZLA is another subsidiary. You're talking about Mozilla Corporation.
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swiftcoder 6mo ago

> For what it's worth because legal names are confusingly similar, this is a legal subsidiary of Mozilla that is specific to Thunderbird Right, I get that, but why is it for-profit? Fund raising is hard enough for nonprofits, convincing people to donate their hard-earned cash to a for-profit is on a whole different level.

input_sh 6mo ago
I'm definitely not involved with any of them to know for sure, but my guess would be that's because non-profits come with a lot more regulatory overhead in comparison to for-profits of a similar scale. Not saying that's bad in any way, but for a team that just wants to build the damn thing, for-profits are absolutely less of a hassle.
- account42 6mo ago
  Sure but if they want people to donate they better be ready to explain their decisions. All that extra overhead is there to ensure that the nonprofit is actually a nonprofit doing what it says it's doing after all.
Vinnl 6mo ago
One thing that's important to note (which holds for the Mozilla Corporation too) is that the for-profit thing is a legal status, but the Foundation (an official non-profit) is the only shareholder, i.e. the only entity that "profit" can flow to. So you're not lining some billionaire's pockets. (Though of course, employees of either entity can be paid whatever, which also holds for every other non-profit.)
glenstein 6mo ago
My understanding is the for-profit structure was necessary in order to be able to do the search licensing deals finance Firefox.
- swiftcoder 6mo ago
  That’s a separate for-profit. This one is narrowly scoped to operate thunderbird
- debugnik 6mo ago
  No, MZLA is another subsidiary. You're talking about Mozilla Corporation.

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