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why are there so many autonomous ai agent orchestration systems? too much! I don't understand! Please explain

lgas 6mo ago
What is there not to understand? AI is booming right now. People are trying to get in on the gold rush and/or trying to sell pick axes to the miners. There is a ton of fertile ground for anyone that wants to try something, so it's being explored.
exitb 6mo ago
People want to build something with the newfound productivity, but it turns out that software development always had a high leverage against potential impact - coding was always relatively cheap. That means there is in fact no backlog of great products that could have been built if we only had 10x productivity. The only spots where "missing products" can be found are mostly around AI itself.
- anonfunction 6mo ago
  I'll take a counterpoint, coding has historically not been cheap. Software engineers have been one of the highest paid professions for a long time. Personally while working a full time job, raising a family and trying to have some semblance of a social life my open source contributions fell off a cliff until recently with the popularization of coding agents. I've created more projects and software in the last 12 months than the past 10 years combined. Not to say a lot of it wasn't total slop or provided little utility, but it's been a fun and exciting time. Another interesting point is that until recently most average people thought "code" was out of reach or they didn't have time / energy to learn it. My mother made a webapp with the help of claude code the other day to generate books, which she thought of and completed in the course of 3 days all the while learning about terminals, localhost, ports, APIs and more.
_pdp_ 6mo ago
IMHO the reason is because engineers can write software but not always solve real problems. It is just easier to put stuff in code to do things with computers. This is the comfort zone. But coming up with something that solves a valuable end-user problem requires understanding what this is. I've been through this thought process many times and I am still struggling (you can check my profile as to why). You can try as well. What are the best applications for AI automation?
- bcjdjsndon 6mo ago
  > What are the best applications for AI automation? A robot that walks round cleaning your house and he never gets tired and he can go the shops and do what you want and repairs his self
- hdgvhicv 6mo ago
  > What are the best applications for AI automation? Sex bots
  - cindyllm 6mo ago
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- chris_ivester 6mo ago
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10keane 6mo ago
i think there is a real gap though. autonomous agent are actually very useful and powerful but has huge potential for great damage. proper harnesses are indeed needed to either contain potential damage like sandbox or provide interface for human to actually supervise and intervene.
squirrellous 6mo ago
It’s what the cool kids are doing these days. It’ll pass. Also it’s quite fun to build things around agents and watch them go off to work.
- anonfunction 6mo ago
  I think there's also something about being able to make it exactly how you want. For example I didn't like openclaw, I felt it was extremely over-engineered and I honestly couldn't even get it running on my first attempt. So I made botctl to be a generalized version where it doesn't rely on complex setup and have every bell and whistle, you just install it, create a directory with a BOT.md file and off it goes.
ramon156 6mo ago
I wish we all collectively worked on one project, especially on an orchestrator tool, where the groundwork is important. people can build on it whatever they want, just dont re-invent the orchestrator!
- anonfunction 6mo ago
  Here's two popular open-source projects that have combined 200k+ stars and 1,300+ contributors, with slightly different goals: - https://github.com/anomalyco/opencodeagents https://github.com/anomalyco/opencodeagents - https://github.com/OpenHands/OpenHands https://github.com/OpenHands/OpenHands

lgas 6mo ago

What is there not to understand? AI is booming right now. People are trying to get in on the gold rush and/or trying to sell pick axes to the miners. There is a ton of fertile ground for anyone that wants to try something, so it's being explored.

exitb 6mo ago

People want to build something with the newfound productivity, but it turns out that software development always had a high leverage against potential impact - coding was always relatively cheap. That means there is in fact no backlog of great products that could have been built if we only had 10x productivity. The only spots where "missing products" can be found are mostly around AI itself.

anonfunction 6mo ago
I'll take a counterpoint, coding has historically not been cheap. Software engineers have been one of the highest paid professions for a long time. Personally while working a full time job, raising a family and trying to have some semblance of a social life my open source contributions fell off a cliff until recently with the popularization of coding agents. I've created more projects and software in the last 12 months than the past 10 years combined. Not to say a lot of it wasn't total slop or provided little utility, but it's been a fun and exciting time. Another interesting point is that until recently most average people thought "code" was out of reach or they didn't have time / energy to learn it. My mother made a webapp with the help of claude code the other day to generate books, which she thought of and completed in the course of 3 days all the while learning about terminals, localhost, ports, APIs and more.

_pdp_ 6mo ago

IMHO the reason is because engineers can write software but not always solve real problems. It is just easier to put stuff in code to do things with computers. This is the comfort zone. But coming up with something that solves a valuable end-user problem requires understanding what this is. I've been through this thought process many times and I am still struggling (you can check my profile as to why). You can try as well. What are the best applications for AI automation?

bcjdjsndon 6mo ago
> What are the best applications for AI automation? A robot that walks round cleaning your house and he never gets tired and he can go the shops and do what you want and repairs his self
hdgvhicv 6mo ago
> What are the best applications for AI automation? Sex bots
- cindyllm 6mo ago
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chris_ivester 6mo ago
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10keane 6mo ago

i think there is a real gap though. autonomous agent are actually very useful and powerful but has huge potential for great damage. proper harnesses are indeed needed to either contain potential damage like sandbox or provide interface for human to actually supervise and intervene.

squirrellous 6mo ago

It’s what the cool kids are doing these days. It’ll pass. Also it’s quite fun to build things around agents and watch them go off to work.

anonfunction 6mo ago
I think there's also something about being able to make it exactly how you want. For example I didn't like openclaw, I felt it was extremely over-engineered and I honestly couldn't even get it running on my first attempt. So I made botctl to be a generalized version where it doesn't rely on complex setup and have every bell and whistle, you just install it, create a directory with a BOT.md file and off it goes.

ramon156 6mo ago

I wish we all collectively worked on one project, especially on an orchestrator tool, where the groundwork is important. people can build on it whatever they want, just dont re-invent the orchestrator!

anonfunction 6mo ago
Here's two popular open-source projects that have combined 200k+ stars and 1,300+ contributors, with slightly different goals: - https://github.com/anomalyco/opencodeagents https://github.com/anomalyco/opencodeagents - https://github.com/OpenHands/OpenHands https://github.com/OpenHands/OpenHands