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People had been hunting whales for centuries, but industrialisation gave them the means and the motivation to do so until near extinction.

d1l 6mo ago
Read Moby Dick some time my friend.
- bryanrasmussen 6mo ago
  The industrial revolution is generally understood to have started somewhere around 1760, Moby Dick took place in approximately 1830, about 10 years before what some historians mark as the end of the agrarian to Industrial shift that is generally termed the Industrial revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution I get sort of wishy-washy from 1830 on, because lots of people put the end of the Industrial revolution as being 1900, but 1840 is a defensible and commonly held position.
  - eru 6mo ago
    > The industrial revolution is generally understood to have started somewhere around 1760, In Britain. Moby Dick ain't set in Britain.
  - felipeerias 6mo ago
    That’s besides the point because most whales were killed in the XX century.
mayama 6mo ago
Most of humanity survived on agriculture and sometimes hunting-gathering for last 10k years. People that survived on hunting whales is minuscule. Comparing those two is nonsensical.
- tartoran 6mo ago
  But you seem to be missing the point, parent is talking about the industrial scale of means to create a lot more destruction to the environment which the OP point hinges on. Parent does not say humanity survived on hunting whales, quite the opposite, when they had the means people nearly drove whales to extinction.
- intended 6mo ago
  Forest for the trees? I doubt that anyone reading this can’t get the point of the analogy. The value is in showing where the analogy fails, and either disproves the point, or deepens the point.
Retric 6mo ago
By that the token humans drove a great number of species to extinction long before the Industrial Revolution. So by that line of thinking we were already running into the limits of natural resources in the Neolithic. Obviously we’re becoming better at extracting resources over time, but humans ran out of new land to exploit long before Europe's conquest of the Americas. Land only seemed empty because disease decimated native populations, people lived in San Francisco thousands of years ago.

d1l 6mo ago

Read Moby Dick some time my friend.

bryanrasmussen 6mo ago
The industrial revolution is generally understood to have started somewhere around 1760, Moby Dick took place in approximately 1830, about 10 years before what some historians mark as the end of the agrarian to Industrial shift that is generally termed the Industrial revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution I get sort of wishy-washy from 1830 on, because lots of people put the end of the Industrial revolution as being 1900, but 1840 is a defensible and commonly held position.
- eru 6mo ago
  > The industrial revolution is generally understood to have started somewhere around 1760, In Britain. Moby Dick ain't set in Britain.
- felipeerias 6mo ago
  That’s besides the point because most whales were killed in the XX century.

mayama 6mo ago

Most of humanity survived on agriculture and sometimes hunting-gathering for last 10k years. People that survived on hunting whales is minuscule. Comparing those two is nonsensical.

tartoran 6mo ago
But you seem to be missing the point, parent is talking about the industrial scale of means to create a lot more destruction to the environment which the OP point hinges on. Parent does not say humanity survived on hunting whales, quite the opposite, when they had the means people nearly drove whales to extinction.
intended 6mo ago
Forest for the trees? I doubt that anyone reading this can’t get the point of the analogy. The value is in showing where the analogy fails, and either disproves the point, or deepens the point.

Retric 6mo ago

By that the token humans drove a great number of species to extinction long before the Industrial Revolution. So by that line of thinking we were already running into the limits of natural resources in the Neolithic. Obviously we’re becoming better at extracting resources over time, but humans ran out of new land to exploit long before Europe's conquest of the Americas. Land only seemed empty because disease decimated native populations, people lived in San Francisco thousands of years ago.