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Sure, we could change current law, but I think that only forces an AI company to buy one copy of every book. I don’t think it gives any sort of royalty stream t

by drob518 7mo ago

Sure, we could change current law, but I think that only forces an AI company to buy one copy of every book. I don’t think it gives any sort of royalty stream to anyone beyond that. Copyright is literally the right to make copies. Once I have acquired a copy, I can read it, summarize it, transform it, etc. in myriad ways.

triceratops 7mo ago
You can't make copies though. AI training requires making copies of materials, even if they're purchased.
- drob518 7mo ago
  Not true. You can photocopy pages from a book you own for your own use. You can make copies of purchased software as a backup. What you can’t do is make copies and give them to all your friends or sell them to the public.
  - triceratops 7mo ago
    > You can photocopy pages from a book you own for your own use No. You won't get it trouble for it. But it is against the law. https://www.copyright.gov/what-is-copyright https://www.copyright.gov/what-is-copyright "U.S. copyright law provides copyright owners with the following exclusive rights: Reproduce the work in copies" This doesn't differentiate between partial and complete copies. > You can make copies of purchased software as a backup This is true. They had to write out that exception for digital media. And the key is "backup". You can't run or use multiple copies if you only own one.
    - drob518 7mo ago
      While the rules for fair use are not black and white, one of the primary tests is whether the copying impairs the market for the work. If you want to copy pages of a book to mark them up, for instance, so your original copy stays clean, that would generally fall under fair use. You aren’t selling the copy or the original. You aren’t giving one or the other to other people, thereby eliminating a potential sale. You are copying some pages, not the entire work, cover to cover. As you say, you wouldn’t get in trouble for it in any case, but I’m pretty sure that it would be covered under fair use. But yea, if you photocopy a book and give it to your friend, that’s illegal.
intended 7mo ago
I don’t think thats how fair use works.

by drob518 7mo ago

triceratops 7mo ago

You can't make copies though. AI training requires making copies of materials, even if they're purchased.

drob518 7mo ago
Not true. You can photocopy pages from a book you own for your own use. You can make copies of purchased software as a backup. What you can’t do is make copies and give them to all your friends or sell them to the public.
- triceratops 7mo ago
  > You can photocopy pages from a book you own for your own use No. You won't get it trouble for it. But it is against the law. https://www.copyright.gov/what-is-copyright https://www.copyright.gov/what-is-copyright "U.S. copyright law provides copyright owners with the following exclusive rights: Reproduce the work in copies" This doesn't differentiate between partial and complete copies. > You can make copies of purchased software as a backup This is true. They had to write out that exception for digital media. And the key is "backup". You can't run or use multiple copies if you only own one.
  - drob518 7mo ago
    While the rules for fair use are not black and white, one of the primary tests is whether the copying impairs the market for the work. If you want to copy pages of a book to mark them up, for instance, so your original copy stays clean, that would generally fall under fair use. You aren’t selling the copy or the original. You aren’t giving one or the other to other people, thereby eliminating a potential sale. You are copying some pages, not the entire work, cover to cover. As you say, you wouldn’t get in trouble for it in any case, but I’m pretty sure that it would be covered under fair use. But yea, if you photocopy a book and give it to your friend, that’s illegal.

intended 7mo ago

I don’t think thats how fair use works.