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Well, i downloaded firefox extension and checked the size of only *.js files without any additional assests - and it's 2 megabytes. Mermaid is around 800kb, so

by wesz 6mo ago

Well, i downloaded firefox extension and checked the size of only *.js files without any additional assests - and it's 2 megabytes. Mermaid is around 800kb, so it still leaves over 1 megabyte of javascript. The amount of abstraction alone for the project of this scope makes me cringe. You introduce unnecessary complexity.

latchkey 6mo ago
Thanks for the feedback!
59nadir 6mo ago
In all fairness, 30+ years of web development is exactly what would convince you that shipping 1+ MB of JS is fine, no? I'm not really kidding... Web development is where all of the worst practices in programming thrive and come from. Some of them are spending minutes (sometimes 10+ minutes) compiling/"building" web pages before they "deploy" them, and so on. 30+ years in web development is what you say at the support group to explain why you're there, not to convince people you've developed good taste and reasonable sensibilities. Edit: Zed Shaw didn't know it at the time, but "Rails is a ghetto" wasn't describing even a local minimum in web development, it was the start of an incredible valley we've yet to see the bottom of. A sea of unskilled morons unable and unwilling to learn even the basics of just about everything came in droves and never left. Now they have bullshit generators that'll generate the shit code they probably were going to ship anyway, except faster.
- latchkey 6mo ago
  [deleted] apparently not ai generated. still sounds weird.
  - 59nadir 6mo ago
    I can assure that it's not. What makes you think I'd waste my time writing HackerNews comments using LLMs? Take a look at my post history and tell me honestly that you believe that to be the case. No, I just used a phrasing that reminded you of LLMs and that's it. Funnily enough it also has no real bearing on my argument; your 30+ years of web development didn't stop you from shipping more than a MB of JS to add some basic features to HackerNews [because LLMs wrote everything for you]. "Every accusation is a confession" and all that...
- wesz 6mo ago
  Yeah, i'm also webdev with a couple of decades under my belt and i cry from time to time seeing what happened to it in the past 10+ years. Webdevs nowadays blindly follow "trends" that phase out every couple of years, without really bringing anything of the value to the ecosystem.
  - latchkey 6mo ago
    I'm curious, what value have you brought to the ecosystem? What's your github? Is this it? https://github.com/wesz https://github.com/wesz
    - wesz 6mo ago
      Yes, it is. I'm not really active on github (other than some toys i want to share with friends), i didn't even update portfolio on my website in over 10 years. I'm happy to share my projects and contributions privately, if you're interested.
      - latchkey 6mo ago
        Please share. You've said some nasty things in this thread about me personally as well as my hard work. Stuff that even got reprimanded by dang. Now, you're talking about bringing value to the ecosystem, and I'm not sure how 10 year old github accounts, and private repositories fulfill that. Let's see what you've got that is so amazing.
        wesz 6mo ago
        I didn't say anything nasty, now you're just delusional. I had a feeling you were butthurt when you dug my profile:) Relax, calm down and then we can talk.

by wesz 6mo ago

latchkey 6mo ago

Thanks for the feedback!

59nadir 6mo ago

In all fairness, 30+ years of web development is exactly what would convince you that shipping 1+ MB of JS is fine, no? I'm not really kidding... Web development is where all of the worst practices in programming thrive and come from. Some of them are spending minutes (sometimes 10+ minutes) compiling/"building" web pages before they "deploy" them, and so on. 30+ years in web development is what you say at the support group to explain why you're there, not to convince people you've developed good taste and reasonable sensibilities. Edit: Zed Shaw didn't know it at the time, but "Rails is a ghetto" wasn't describing even a local minimum in web development, it was the start of an incredible valley we've yet to see the bottom of. A sea of unskilled morons unable and unwilling to learn even the basics of just about everything came in droves and never left. Now they have bullshit generators that'll generate the shit code they probably were going to ship anyway, except faster.

latchkey 6mo ago
[deleted] apparently not ai generated. still sounds weird.
- 59nadir 6mo ago
  I can assure that it's not. What makes you think I'd waste my time writing HackerNews comments using LLMs? Take a look at my post history and tell me honestly that you believe that to be the case. No, I just used a phrasing that reminded you of LLMs and that's it. Funnily enough it also has no real bearing on my argument; your 30+ years of web development didn't stop you from shipping more than a MB of JS to add some basic features to HackerNews [because LLMs wrote everything for you]. "Every accusation is a confession" and all that...
wesz 6mo ago
Yeah, i'm also webdev with a couple of decades under my belt and i cry from time to time seeing what happened to it in the past 10+ years. Webdevs nowadays blindly follow "trends" that phase out every couple of years, without really bringing anything of the value to the ecosystem.
- latchkey 6mo ago
  I'm curious, what value have you brought to the ecosystem? What's your github? Is this it? https://github.com/wesz https://github.com/wesz
  - wesz 6mo ago
    Yes, it is. I'm not really active on github (other than some toys i want to share with friends), i didn't even update portfolio on my website in over 10 years. I'm happy to share my projects and contributions privately, if you're interested.
    - latchkey 6mo ago
      Please share. You've said some nasty things in this thread about me personally as well as my hard work. Stuff that even got reprimanded by dang. Now, you're talking about bringing value to the ecosystem, and I'm not sure how 10 year old github accounts, and private repositories fulfill that. Let's see what you've got that is so amazing.
      - wesz 6mo ago
        I didn't say anything nasty, now you're just delusional. I had a feeling you were butthurt when you dug my profile:) Relax, calm down and then we can talk.