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Do you have empirical evidence that we "habitually coddle criminals"? The united states locks up more of their people than pretty much any other nation...

loeg 6mo ago
> Do you have empirical evidence that we "habitually coddle criminals"? In this context, we're talking about SF, not the US at large. Yes, SF is well known for coddling criminals. This is, obviously, a qualitative characterization -- it cannot be proven empirically. But we can point at characteristic examples: https://ktxs.com/news/nation-world/san-francisco-ends-5m-alcohol-delivery-program-to-alcoholics-addiction-managed-alcohol-program https://ktxs.com/news/nation-world/san-francisco-ends-5m-alc... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/s-f-start-allowing-evictions-drug-use-supportive-22104043.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/s-f-start-allowing-ev... https://www.denvergazette.com/2024/01/27/california-finally-launches-plans-to-combat-retail-theft-after-years-of-ignoring-problem-86e7f4ac-9be8-5ada-8247-8732c43642d2/ https://www.denvergazette.com/2024/01/27/california-finally-... https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/yes-its-ok-to-be-mad-about-crime https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/yes-its-ok-to-be-mad-about-cri... (There's some hope it's improving very recently or in the near future.) > The united states locks up more of their people than pretty much any other nation... We (the US) have more criminality than many peer nations. We either lock them up, or let them be free despite doing crimes.
- turtlesdown11 6mo ago
  > We (the US) have more criminality than many peer nations Do you have any empirical evidence to support this claim?
  - wahnfrieden 6mo ago
    No
  - loeg 6mo ago
    https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/international-crime-rates-0 https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/international-crime... > U.S. crime rates for the three violent crimes homicide, rape, robbery) were several times higher than the averages for reporting European countries. The U.S. homicide rate was 10.5-7.9 per 100,000 population compared to Europe's less than 2 per 100,000. The U.S. rate for rape was approximately seven times higher than the average for Europe. United States robbery rates were approximately four times higher than those in Europe. Theft and auto theft in the United States were approximately twice as high as in Europe. The U.S. rates for violent crime were also higher than those for Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, but differences were smaller than those for Europe.
    - wahnfrieden 6mo ago
      (1980-1984)

loeg 6mo ago

> Do you have empirical evidence that we "habitually coddle criminals"? In this context, we're talking about SF, not the US at large. Yes, SF is well known for coddling criminals. This is, obviously, a qualitative characterization -- it cannot be proven empirically. But we can point at characteristic examples: https://ktxs.com/news/nation-world/san-francisco-ends-5m-alcohol-delivery-program-to-alcoholics-addiction-managed-alcohol-program https://ktxs.com/news/nation-world/san-francisco-ends-5m-alc... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/s-f-start-allowing-evictions-drug-use-supportive-22104043.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/s-f-start-allowing-ev... https://www.denvergazette.com/2024/01/27/california-finally-launches-plans-to-combat-retail-theft-after-years-of-ignoring-problem-86e7f4ac-9be8-5ada-8247-8732c43642d2/ https://www.denvergazette.com/2024/01/27/california-finally-... https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/yes-its-ok-to-be-mad-about-crime https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/yes-its-ok-to-be-mad-about-cri... (There's some hope it's improving very recently or in the near future.) > The united states locks up more of their people than pretty much any other nation... We (the US) have more criminality than many peer nations. We either lock them up, or let them be free despite doing crimes.

turtlesdown11 6mo ago
> We (the US) have more criminality than many peer nations Do you have any empirical evidence to support this claim?
- wahnfrieden 6mo ago
  No
- loeg 6mo ago
  https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/international-crime-rates-0 https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/international-crime... > U.S. crime rates for the three violent crimes homicide, rape, robbery) were several times higher than the averages for reporting European countries. The U.S. homicide rate was 10.5-7.9 per 100,000 population compared to Europe's less than 2 per 100,000. The U.S. rate for rape was approximately seven times higher than the average for Europe. United States robbery rates were approximately four times higher than those in Europe. Theft and auto theft in the United States were approximately twice as high as in Europe. The U.S. rates for violent crime were also higher than those for Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, but differences were smaller than those for Europe.
  - wahnfrieden 6mo ago
    (1980-1984)