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Note that if an "Ephemeral Device" exists for more than 4 hours continuously, it consumes 0 minutes, and is billed as a tagged device. The docs are being upgrad

by JayWS 6mo ago

Note that if an "Ephemeral Device" exists for more than 4 hours continuously, it consumes 0 minutes, and is billed as a tagged device. The docs are being upgraded to change the language around this. 50 tagged resources is the new limit, but there is no longer any limit on user-owned devices, previously, they were bundled together in that 100 limit.

vluft 6mo ago
does the "tagged resource" limit include services?
- JayWS 6mo ago
  No, services are separate. Services are currently soft-limited to 10 on all plans.
  - vluft 6mo ago
    counts huh. well, I'm at 14 (which were previously just tagged "devices"), I guess at some point I get to find out what the hard limit is :).
    - ts-samlinville 6mo ago
      Hey there! Tailscalar here, I'm a member of our Product team. We're working on how we evolve the Services pricing model, we know it's not exactly right at the moment. We don't intend to suddenly start enforcing a hard limit on folks who have been early users of the Services feature.
      - vluft 6mo ago
        no worries :). I plan on remaining on personal plus anyway until such time as you stop letting me give you money (making this the second plan you'll have kicked me off of :P), but there's not actually any difference between the (now) state of that and the free plan as far as I can tell. (also is the plural of Tailscalar Tailvector?)
minus7 6mo ago
>Note that if an "Ephemeral Device" exists for more than 4 hours continuously, it consumes 0 minutes, and is billed as a tagged device. The docs are being upgraded to change the language around this. Thanks for explaining, that makes the limit very reasonable. I updated my comment
tailscaler2026 6mo ago
So.. an ephemeral device becomes a regular device after 4 hours? First 4 hours count toward minutely quota and then toward device quota? Is ephemeral a toggle when creating the key itself?
- JayWS 6mo ago
  If it exists for more than 4 hours, 0 minutes are consumed - the 240 minutes are "refunded" to the pot. Ephemeral keys can still be used to manage long-lived devices when you want them automatically cleaned up if they disappear - they'll just count as tagged nodes when they hit that 241 minute age.

by JayWS 6mo ago

vluft 6mo ago

does the "tagged resource" limit include services?

JayWS 6mo ago
No, services are separate. Services are currently soft-limited to 10 on all plans.
- vluft 6mo ago
  counts huh. well, I'm at 14 (which were previously just tagged "devices"), I guess at some point I get to find out what the hard limit is :).
  - ts-samlinville 6mo ago
    Hey there! Tailscalar here, I'm a member of our Product team. We're working on how we evolve the Services pricing model, we know it's not exactly right at the moment. We don't intend to suddenly start enforcing a hard limit on folks who have been early users of the Services feature.
    - vluft 6mo ago
      no worries :). I plan on remaining on personal plus anyway until such time as you stop letting me give you money (making this the second plan you'll have kicked me off of :P), but there's not actually any difference between the (now) state of that and the free plan as far as I can tell. (also is the plural of Tailscalar Tailvector?)

minus7 6mo ago

>Note that if an "Ephemeral Device" exists for more than 4 hours continuously, it consumes 0 minutes, and is billed as a tagged device. The docs are being upgraded to change the language around this. Thanks for explaining, that makes the limit very reasonable. I updated my comment

tailscaler2026 6mo ago

So.. an ephemeral device becomes a regular device after 4 hours? First 4 hours count toward minutely quota and then toward device quota? Is ephemeral a toggle when creating the key itself?

JayWS 6mo ago
If it exists for more than 4 hours, 0 minutes are consumed - the 240 minutes are "refunded" to the pot. Ephemeral keys can still be used to manage long-lived devices when you want them automatically cleaned up if they disappear - they'll just count as tagged nodes when they hit that 241 minute age.