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They install them where the data show that people are running red lights.
by SoftTalker 7mo ago
They install them where the data show that people are running red lights.
- ceejayoz 7mo agoWhere the data shows people are getting caught running red lights. Which isn't necessarily where the most incidents are.
- loeg 7mo agoIf they only installed them based on collision/injury data, and that data identified mostly poor areas, you would be ok with it? Because this is what the data finds over and over. The people most harmed by red light running are the poor people who live in these neighborhoods.
- DANmode 7mo ago> Because this is what the data finds over and over. So link it.
- ceejayoz 7mo agoMaybe! I might question the benefits of making the poor area even poorer via fines they likely can't afford. I might wonder if there are confounding factors like poorly maintained roads and vehicles at play. I might wonder if the yellow lights have the same timing as in the suburbs.
- whimsicalism 7mo agoI might question why you are so opposed to interventions that save the lives of people in poorer neighborhoods (disproportionately not owners of cars).
- ceejayoz 7mo agoI question the premise that it will.
- loeg 7mo agoAre the small fines for red light violations costlier, or the impact on health and life from the collisions red light running inevitably causes? I think letting poor areas be high traffic injury areas through deliberate neglect is even costlier to the poor who live there than red light fines.
- cucumber3732842 7mo agoIn my experience it's the rich areas chock full o' Karens that get the latest and greatest in jackbootery because they have all the money for the new hotness, no real problems to divert their attention and almost nobody who's ever been on the business end of government enforcement so they don't see any real problem with dispensing it at the drop of a hat.
- cindyllm 7mo ago[dead]
- banannaise 7mo agoAny dataset involving police actions will show high concentrations in poor areas because that's where police patrol the most and where they're most likely to crack down on behaviors that might be allowed to slide elsewhere (in part due to the racial demographics of those areas).
- whimsicalism 7mo agoUsually allocation decisions are related to actual car/pedestrian fatality/injury counts + trial placements and measurements. Either way, wouldn't you be in favor of measures that remove police from overpoliced poor neighborhoods in favor of a technology focusing on traffic safety enforcement?
- ImPostingOnHN 7mo agoThe police aren't removed, they're still there, just with more technology, more information, and more power now.
- Zigurd 7mo agoThey shorten the yellow light interval to gain more revenue. It's an irresistible corruption when working on a revenue share.