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Israel won't get sainthood anytime soon, but Hezbollah is Iran-backed, based in Lebanon, and breaking ceasefires with Israel without direct provocation. Israel

Israel won't get sainthood anytime soon, but Hezbollah is Iran-backed, based in Lebanon, and breaking ceasefires with Israel without direct provocation. Israel has killed over a thousand Hezbollah militants since March 2. What would you do if you were Israel? FTA: > Over 1,500 people have been killed in Lebanon and about a million displaced since March 2, according to Lebanese authorities. The IDF says it has killed some 1,100 Hezbollah operatives, including hundreds of members of the terror group’s elite Radwan Force, in that period.

bigyabai 7mo ago
> What would you do if you were Israel? Stop pretending like collective punishment produces results? It obviously doesn't, Israel's strikes on Lebanon have gotten to the point that it feels like another illegal expansion project.
- caminante 7mo ago
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- MotiBanana 7mo ago
  You're right, they should just let indiscriminate rockets hit their civilians. If it was not for the iron some, there would be 100k dead Israelis. It's disgusting how westerners think their high and mighty approach works in the middle east.
  - bigyabai 6mo ago
    Israel was never forced to commit war crimes in retaliation. If they truly want peace, they should submit to the ICC or prepare to fight the long war.
  - komali2 6mo ago
    Blowback. Israel is responsible for being an impossible neighbor. A better question to ask: what do you do when an ethnosupremacist state sets up shop near you and immediately begins territory expansion and meddling in your local politics while funding militant groups to destabilize your government? That's the question all of Israel's neighbors have had to answer for the last 60 years.
    - caminante 6mo ago
      >impossible neighbor The entire neighborhood sucks. Doesn't this also apply to Hezbollah in Lebanon? > "[Hezbollah's] struggle will end only when this entity [Israel] is obliterated" [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Attitudes_and_actions_concerning_Jews_and_Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Attitudes_and_action...
      - komali2 6mo ago
        The entire neighborhood was already there, and then Israel showed up as a settler-colonialist state. I don't really sympathize with any State's desire for self preservation (especially since, like Israel, most states will happily sacrifice their citizenry to do so). The radicalization necessary to feed recruitment to Hamas and Hezbollah is only possible because of the incredible violence Israel subjects the region to. Without Israel, Hamas would almost certainly not even exist, or at least would be some minor radical group with no political power.
        caminante 6mo ago
        Your argument isn't principled because starting in the 20th century is arbitrary. Why not go back in time to the 15-1600s when the Ottoman Empire went "colonial" on Jews? We don't have a time machine. In the present, Israel could go full pacifist, and Hezbollah doesn't go away.
        komali2 6mo ago
        > Your argument isn't principled because starting in the 20th century is arbitrary. No it isn't, we were alive in the 20th century, it's recent and we are fully capable of, and responsible for, handling fallout from decisions made during it. Your argument justifies any imperialism. "Last year Israel occupied more Palestinian territory - it's the same as ancient history, demanding they give it back is like demanding Greece re-establishes the sovereignty of Athens." > In the present, Israel could go full pacifist, and Hezbollah doesn't go away. Pretty speculative. An Israel that gives back sovereignty and autonomy as well as stolen land back to Palestine (and now Lebanon), releases prisoners, and regime changes out the ethnosupremacist government takes basically all the wind out of the sails of groups resisting it as the evil it currently is. Actually negotiating and following through is something current Israel can't swallow because it's deeply racist against the people with whom it's meant to be negotiating.
drewbeck 7mo ago
Israel kills people then calls them "operatives" after the fact. They have no credibility around these kinds of reports.
- caminante 6mo ago
  I get your point. I don't think it's effective here. What do you have to say to Hezbollah confirming 400 combatant losses? The Lebanese health ministry also confirmed 1500, of which only 300 were women, children, and health workers. It's a tragedy.

bigyabai 7mo ago

> What would you do if you were Israel? Stop pretending like collective punishment produces results? It obviously doesn't, Israel's strikes on Lebanon have gotten to the point that it feels like another illegal expansion project.

caminante 7mo ago
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MotiBanana 7mo ago
You're right, they should just let indiscriminate rockets hit their civilians. If it was not for the iron some, there would be 100k dead Israelis. It's disgusting how westerners think their high and mighty approach works in the middle east.
- bigyabai 6mo ago
  Israel was never forced to commit war crimes in retaliation. If they truly want peace, they should submit to the ICC or prepare to fight the long war.
- komali2 6mo ago
  Blowback. Israel is responsible for being an impossible neighbor. A better question to ask: what do you do when an ethnosupremacist state sets up shop near you and immediately begins territory expansion and meddling in your local politics while funding militant groups to destabilize your government? That's the question all of Israel's neighbors have had to answer for the last 60 years.
  - caminante 6mo ago
    >impossible neighbor The entire neighborhood sucks. Doesn't this also apply to Hezbollah in Lebanon? > "[Hezbollah's] struggle will end only when this entity [Israel] is obliterated" [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Attitudes_and_actions_concerning_Jews_and_Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Attitudes_and_action...
    - komali2 6mo ago
      The entire neighborhood was already there, and then Israel showed up as a settler-colonialist state. I don't really sympathize with any State's desire for self preservation (especially since, like Israel, most states will happily sacrifice their citizenry to do so). The radicalization necessary to feed recruitment to Hamas and Hezbollah is only possible because of the incredible violence Israel subjects the region to. Without Israel, Hamas would almost certainly not even exist, or at least would be some minor radical group with no political power.
      - caminante 6mo ago
        Your argument isn't principled because starting in the 20th century is arbitrary. Why not go back in time to the 15-1600s when the Ottoman Empire went "colonial" on Jews? We don't have a time machine. In the present, Israel could go full pacifist, and Hezbollah doesn't go away.
        komali2 6mo ago
        > Your argument isn't principled because starting in the 20th century is arbitrary. No it isn't, we were alive in the 20th century, it's recent and we are fully capable of, and responsible for, handling fallout from decisions made during it. Your argument justifies any imperialism. "Last year Israel occupied more Palestinian territory - it's the same as ancient history, demanding they give it back is like demanding Greece re-establishes the sovereignty of Athens." > In the present, Israel could go full pacifist, and Hezbollah doesn't go away. Pretty speculative. An Israel that gives back sovereignty and autonomy as well as stolen land back to Palestine (and now Lebanon), releases prisoners, and regime changes out the ethnosupremacist government takes basically all the wind out of the sails of groups resisting it as the evil it currently is. Actually negotiating and following through is something current Israel can't swallow because it's deeply racist against the people with whom it's meant to be negotiating.

drewbeck 7mo ago

Israel kills people then calls them "operatives" after the fact. They have no credibility around these kinds of reports.

caminante 6mo ago
I get your point. I don't think it's effective here. What do you have to say to Hezbollah confirming 400 combatant losses? The Lebanese health ministry also confirmed 1500, of which only 300 were women, children, and health workers. It's a tragedy.