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I could believe that perma-cameraing every inch of public space is more akin to chemo than to vitamin gummies, that SF had the city equivalent of bone cancer, a

I could believe that perma-cameraing every inch of public space is more akin to chemo than to vitamin gummies, that SF had the city equivalent of bone cancer, and that this doesn’t mean healthy midwestern towns need Flock in any way.

kevin_thibedeau 6mo ago
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- ceejayoz 6mo ago
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- array_key_first 6mo ago
  It's a much tougher problem then "idk just throw them in jail lol" and anyone who claims otherwise is dishonest.
- turtlesdown11 6mo ago
  Do you have empirical evidence that we "habitually coddle criminals"? The united states locks up more of their people than pretty much any other nation...
  - loeg 6mo ago
    > Do you have empirical evidence that we "habitually coddle criminals"? In this context, we're talking about SF, not the US at large. Yes, SF is well known for coddling criminals. This is, obviously, a qualitative characterization -- it cannot be proven empirically. But we can point at characteristic examples: https://ktxs.com/news/nation-world/san-francisco-ends-5m-alcohol-delivery-program-to-alcoholics-addiction-managed-alcohol-program https://ktxs.com/news/nation-world/san-francisco-ends-5m-alc... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/s-f-start-allowing-evictions-drug-use-supportive-22104043.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/s-f-start-allowing-ev... https://www.denvergazette.com/2024/01/27/california-finally-launches-plans-to-combat-retail-theft-after-years-of-ignoring-problem-86e7f4ac-9be8-5ada-8247-8732c43642d2/ https://www.denvergazette.com/2024/01/27/california-finally-... https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/yes-its-ok-to-be-mad-about-crime https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/yes-its-ok-to-be-mad-about-cri... (There's some hope it's improving very recently or in the near future.) > The united states locks up more of their people than pretty much any other nation... We (the US) have more criminality than many peer nations. We either lock them up, or let them be free despite doing crimes.
    - turtlesdown11 6mo ago
      > We (the US) have more criminality than many peer nations Do you have any empirical evidence to support this claim?
      - wahnfrieden 6mo ago
        No
      - loeg 6mo ago
        https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/international-crime-rates-0 https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/international-crime... > U.S. crime rates for the three violent crimes homicide, rape, robbery) were several times higher than the averages for reporting European countries. The U.S. homicide rate was 10.5-7.9 per 100,000 population compared to Europe's less than 2 per 100,000. The U.S. rate for rape was approximately seven times higher than the average for Europe. United States robbery rates were approximately four times higher than those in Europe. Theft and auto theft in the United States were approximately twice as high as in Europe. The U.S. rates for violent crime were also higher than those for Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, but differences were smaller than those for Europe.
        wahnfrieden 6mo ago
        (1980-1984)

kevin_thibedeau 6mo ago

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ceejayoz 6mo ago
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array_key_first 6mo ago
It's a much tougher problem then "idk just throw them in jail lol" and anyone who claims otherwise is dishonest.
turtlesdown11 6mo ago
Do you have empirical evidence that we "habitually coddle criminals"? The united states locks up more of their people than pretty much any other nation...
- loeg 6mo ago
  > Do you have empirical evidence that we "habitually coddle criminals"? In this context, we're talking about SF, not the US at large. Yes, SF is well known for coddling criminals. This is, obviously, a qualitative characterization -- it cannot be proven empirically. But we can point at characteristic examples: https://ktxs.com/news/nation-world/san-francisco-ends-5m-alcohol-delivery-program-to-alcoholics-addiction-managed-alcohol-program https://ktxs.com/news/nation-world/san-francisco-ends-5m-alc... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/s-f-start-allowing-evictions-drug-use-supportive-22104043.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/s-f-start-allowing-ev... https://www.denvergazette.com/2024/01/27/california-finally-launches-plans-to-combat-retail-theft-after-years-of-ignoring-problem-86e7f4ac-9be8-5ada-8247-8732c43642d2/ https://www.denvergazette.com/2024/01/27/california-finally-... https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/yes-its-ok-to-be-mad-about-crime https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/yes-its-ok-to-be-mad-about-cri... (There's some hope it's improving very recently or in the near future.) > The united states locks up more of their people than pretty much any other nation... We (the US) have more criminality than many peer nations. We either lock them up, or let them be free despite doing crimes.
  - turtlesdown11 6mo ago
    > We (the US) have more criminality than many peer nations Do you have any empirical evidence to support this claim?
    - wahnfrieden 6mo ago
      No
    - loeg 6mo ago
      https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/international-crime-rates-0 https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/international-crime... > U.S. crime rates for the three violent crimes homicide, rape, robbery) were several times higher than the averages for reporting European countries. The U.S. homicide rate was 10.5-7.9 per 100,000 population compared to Europe's less than 2 per 100,000. The U.S. rate for rape was approximately seven times higher than the average for Europe. United States robbery rates were approximately four times higher than those in Europe. Theft and auto theft in the United States were approximately twice as high as in Europe. The U.S. rates for violent crime were also higher than those for Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, but differences were smaller than those for Europe.
      - wahnfrieden 6mo ago
        (1980-1984)