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In the spirit of this positive community, I'm looking forward to hearing about those problems.

GordonS 6mo ago
Well, for starters just today they hit cental, civilian areas of Beirut with 100 attacks in just 10 minutes - killing more Lebanese civilians in ten minutes than Iran killed Israeli civilians in months of war. Absolutely vile, with clear genocidal intent, and with the aim of stealing Lebanese land. That's just today...
- flyinglizard 6mo ago
  That’s unrelated to my question though. The obsession Iran has with Israel spans four decades now. It hasn’t started with any attack today.
  - GordonS 6mo ago
    That's simply not true - when, in Iran's entire history - has Iran attacked Israel without first being struck by Israel? Not once. Iran's so called "obsession" is simply their desire to remain a sovereign state.
    - UltraSane 6mo ago
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- UltraSane 6mo ago
  You are ignoring the elephant in the room: Hezbollah was literally founded in 1982 under IRGC direction; 1,500 Revolutionary Guards deployed to the Bekaa Valley to organize and train it. It is arguably the most successful export of the 1979 revolution's "velayat-e faqih" ideology. So Iran colonized Lebanon. Hezbollah formally accepts Khamenei as wali al-faqih the supreme juridical authority. That's not alliance, that's religious-political fealty to a foreign head of state. Iran provides an estimated $700M–$1B/year, plus missiles, drones, training. Without Iran, Hezbollah's strategic arsenal doesn't exist. It operates as a parallel state inside Lebanon (own military, telecoms, social services, foreign policy), displacing Lebanese sovereignty in the south and Bekaa.
  - GordonS 6mo ago
    You are ignoring the mammoth on the room: Hezbollah only even exists because of Israeli aggression; murder, rape, land theft, and as we saw yesterday, civilian massacres. > So Iran colonized Lebanon They haven't "colonised" anything, and, at best, it's disingenuous to describe training a resistance group as such. > It operates as a parallel state inside Lebanon (own military, telecoms, social services, foreign policy), displacing Lebanese sovereignty in the south and Bekaa. To claim the "officially recognised" Lebanese state is sovereign is utterly ridiculous! They are stooges, tasked with sitting back and doing nothing while Israel carries out ethnic cleansing and genocide. An MI6 front (Westminster Foundation for Democracy) even has an office inside the Lebanese parliament. Turns out that if you take over a country's government and continuously carry out appalling attrocities against it's people for decades, they will resist.
    - UltraSane 6mo ago
      "To claim the "officially recognised" Lebanese state is sovereign is utterly ridiculous" Wow, this is quite a take. If Hezbollah doesn't have to respect Lebanon sovereignty then why does Israel? "Turns out that if you take over a country's government and continuously carry out appalling attrocities against it's people for decades, they will resist." This is just a insane conspiracy theory. Hezbollah is the organization that actually partially took over the Lebanese government with Iranian help. Hezbollah attacks Israel with absolutely no concern for the damage Israels counterattacks will do to Lebanon.
      - GordonS 6mo ago
        > This is just a insane conspiracy theory Absolutely disgusting - look at the massacres Apartheid Israel committed in Lebanon just yesterday. > Hezbollah attacks Israel with absolutely no concern for the damage Israels counterattacks will do to Lebanon That's the same logic wife-beaters use... "it's their own fault I hit them!". I'm not going to engage any further with your genocidal rhetoric.
        UltraSane 6mo ago

Well, for starters just today they hit cental, civilian areas of Beirut with 100 attacks in just 10 minutes - killing more Lebanese civilians in ten minutes than Iran killed Israeli civilians in months of war. Absolutely vile, with clear genocidal intent, and with the aim of stealing Lebanese land. That's just today...

flyinglizard 6mo ago
That’s unrelated to my question though. The obsession Iran has with Israel spans four decades now. It hasn’t started with any attack today.
- GordonS 6mo ago
  That's simply not true - when, in Iran's entire history - has Iran attacked Israel without first being struck by Israel? Not once. Iran's so called "obsession" is simply their desire to remain a sovereign state.
  - UltraSane 6mo ago
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UltraSane 6mo ago
You are ignoring the elephant in the room: Hezbollah was literally founded in 1982 under IRGC direction; 1,500 Revolutionary Guards deployed to the Bekaa Valley to organize and train it. It is arguably the most successful export of the 1979 revolution's "velayat-e faqih" ideology. So Iran colonized Lebanon. Hezbollah formally accepts Khamenei as wali al-faqih the supreme juridical authority. That's not alliance, that's religious-political fealty to a foreign head of state. Iran provides an estimated $700M–$1B/year, plus missiles, drones, training. Without Iran, Hezbollah's strategic arsenal doesn't exist. It operates as a parallel state inside Lebanon (own military, telecoms, social services, foreign policy), displacing Lebanese sovereignty in the south and Bekaa.
- GordonS 6mo ago
  You are ignoring the mammoth on the room: Hezbollah only even exists because of Israeli aggression; murder, rape, land theft, and as we saw yesterday, civilian massacres. > So Iran colonized Lebanon They haven't "colonised" anything, and, at best, it's disingenuous to describe training a resistance group as such. > It operates as a parallel state inside Lebanon (own military, telecoms, social services, foreign policy), displacing Lebanese sovereignty in the south and Bekaa. To claim the "officially recognised" Lebanese state is sovereign is utterly ridiculous! They are stooges, tasked with sitting back and doing nothing while Israel carries out ethnic cleansing and genocide. An MI6 front (Westminster Foundation for Democracy) even has an office inside the Lebanese parliament. Turns out that if you take over a country's government and continuously carry out appalling attrocities against it's people for decades, they will resist.
  - UltraSane 6mo ago
    "To claim the "officially recognised" Lebanese state is sovereign is utterly ridiculous" Wow, this is quite a take. If Hezbollah doesn't have to respect Lebanon sovereignty then why does Israel? "Turns out that if you take over a country's government and continuously carry out appalling attrocities against it's people for decades, they will resist." This is just a insane conspiracy theory. Hezbollah is the organization that actually partially took over the Lebanese government with Iranian help. Hezbollah attacks Israel with absolutely no concern for the damage Israels counterattacks will do to Lebanon.
    - GordonS 6mo ago
      > This is just a insane conspiracy theory Absolutely disgusting - look at the massacres Apartheid Israel committed in Lebanon just yesterday. > Hezbollah attacks Israel with absolutely no concern for the damage Israels counterattacks will do to Lebanon That's the same logic wife-beaters use... "it's their own fault I hit them!". I'm not going to engage any further with your genocidal rhetoric.
      - UltraSane 6mo ago