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I am astounded that the maintainer and inventor of Wireguard is in this position. Microsoft even supports Wireguard in Azure Kubernetes Service.
by teruakohatu 6mo ago
I am astounded that the maintainer and inventor of Wireguard is in this position.
Microsoft even supports Wireguard in Azure Kubernetes Service.
- miroljub 6mo agoMaybe time for a custom license that would require M$ to sign up for special T&Cs if they want to use this software? Who cares if it's OSI-approved or not, a line saying "M$, Google, and the like need written permission for every use case" would help to make those leeches honest. Just learn from the JSLint example.
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 6mo agoWe literally just did this. Now we have Valkey. Nobody won.
- pocksuppet 6mo agoDid anyone lose? Valkey is better because all of the new development work happens on Valkey, not because of the license. If the actual developer changed the license, that would be a different situation.
- greenavocado 6mo agoThis license modifier already exists for others to use (I can't post the direct links here because this site will sanction me for doing so) plus n-word dot com hosts information about the plus n-word license which purports: - The software will not be used or hosted by western corporations that promote censorship - The software will not be used or hosted by compromised individuals that promote censorship - Users of the software will be immune to attacks that would result in censorship of others
- gzread 6mo agoIt's even GPL compatible, because the GPL makes provision for additional notice requirements. That would be both hilarious and horrifying if the only thing stopping the corporate dystopia is that Microsoft doesn't want to say the N word.
- kbelder 6mo agoWhy "Western" corporations that promote censorship? Non-western censorship is allowed?
- greenavocado 6mo agoThey don't care as much about things like this
- subscribed 6mo agoAbout what things? Winnie the Pooh for example?
- account42 6mo ago[dead]
- nelox 6mo agoAgree. Single point of failure. One developer, one account. Crazy.
- ptx 6mo agoHaving multiple accounts wouldn't help, as Microsoft could easily suspend all the accounts of everyone associated with the project if any account looks suspicious. The single point of failure is Microsoft.
- jamesnorden 6mo agoHow would more than one account help in this scenario, exactly?
- hirako2000 6mo agoAny account can sign any (same) piece of software. Of course Microsoft could detect the it's signing a software related to a banned signed and ban the new account. So veracrypt (and wireguard) is stuck. It's outrageous. MS is simply enforcing some Government crackdown on encryption software that would interfere with backdoors.
- raxxorraxor 6mo agoNo, that is not the issue here. The source of the problem is something different. This is a wrong root cause analysis.
- pjc50 6mo agoYou're not actually allowed to avoid this by having multiple accounts, that falls under "ban evasion". But yes, there's a lot of critical single maintainer projects.
- windowliker 6mo agoIs this another example of their old modus operandi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... ?
- riskable 6mo agoNo. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish was replaced by the AAA strategy: Acquire, Assimilate, Abandon. They were trying to be more Google-like with that "Abandon" step I think. They've since moved on to the SSS strategy: Ship, Slip, Slop.
- arcanemachiner 6mo agoGood heavens! My acronymical notes on Microsoft's product strategy are two revisions out of date!
- wtyvn 6mo agoDamn, I thought it was "Slop, Ship, Smile"
- Already__Taken 6mo agoIt's got a lot of analogy to restaurants banning Uber delivery for not handling their food to their standards.
- xiconfjs 6mo agoWhat? How?
- HackerThemAll 6mo agoThat actually is not analogy at all and it makes sense. When a low-paid Uber Eats delivery person just throws the box carelessly and brings damaged dish to the customer, that's a real issue. In digital services there's no such thing. There's only a damned corporation employing idiots who don't care about community.