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What is the right problem that should be solved here?
by yladiz 6mo ago
What is the right problem that should be solved here?
- exitb 6mo agoBetter segregation of cyclists and pedestrians into their own spaces. The bell shouldn't be something that you use regularly.
- eru 6mo agoDepending on how much traffic there is, combining them is fine.
- exitb 6mo agoYes, but I would consider it somewhat rude to use the bell in a space where both bikes and pedestrians are allowed. If it would be required to be used regularly, I'd say the path is badly designed. I used to commute to work by bike in ~1M city in Europe, mostly on dedicated bike lanes, but some shared, and had just the smallest, barely audible bell, only because it was required by law. I don't remember using it much at all. I don't know what the problem is. Maybe the Londoners should take a good look at themselves.
- eru 6mo agoDifferent folks have different preferences. I agree that on a footpath pedestrians should be treated as having priority. A semi-common way I use my bell: when on a shared footpath with plenty of space to take over, I often use my bell when I'm still ten meters away, so that I don't give pedestrians are heart attack by suddenly dashing right past them. (I have a nice ding dong bell. They don't seem to mind. It also helps that I often have a cheerful five year old in the back.)
- Mashimo 6mo agoBut some bikers probably also use anc headphones, no?
- djtango 6mo agoSeen cyclists with overear anc headphones cycling on the road in london. Absolutely mad.
- PunchyHamster 6mo agoI do that. This was never a problem, as the ANC ones I used don't cancel every sound the same way. For example, I can go into datacenter and it will cancel all the datacenter noise(aside for when air blows directly into mic, it overdrives it) but I can still hear what other person is saying. Also I used them to generally listen to podcast so there was no wall of music to go thru, so sirens and such were easily discernable
- djtango 6mo agoYou do you but as a cyclist you are super vulnerable to all manner of things and I'd never want to give up that kind of awareness. If you listen carefully you can usually hear a cyclist behind you who may want to pass or is passing you, and having headphones probably makes that a lot harder
- tokai 6mo ago>I do that. This was never a problem The most problematic people in traffic are never aware that they are the problem.
- matsemann 6mo agoDo you also think drivers with windows blocking sounds and their stereo blasting are mad?
- tokai 6mo agoofc they are
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- staindk 6mo agoPeople shouldn't really be walking around in public with ANC on. It's not safe. Not a simple problem to solve except maybe to inform people better upon buying/setting up ANC-enabled devices.
- Xelbair 6mo agoor cyclists should have their own lanes, pedestrians shouldn't walk on them - and vice versa. and if you're stuck behind someone slow just overtake them when you can. Safe or not - it is up to individual to decide if it is worth the risk.
- Klaster_1 6mo agoShould people with hearing impairment also avoid walking around?
- Freak_NL 6mo agoNope. They get special treatment; and that's fine.
- gs17 6mo agoI don't see how they can get "special treatment", the difference between someone who couldn't hear the bell because they cannot and someone who just wasn't paying enough attention to react in time isn't obvious without questioning them. Cyclists should simply learn to share shared infrastructure and be careful when passing people instead, because they can't know if that person is aware of them in time and going to react in a predictable way.
- djtango 6mo agoPeople with a hearing impairment are usually not impairing one of their senses with content competing for their attention
- frereubu 6mo ago"Not a simple problem to solve" feels like a bit of an understatement.
- Oras 6mo agoFines. No one should cross roads/paths randomly, with or without headphones. One large fine, and people will learn.
- lopis 6mo agoThat would never work. Have you never been mindlessly walking and stepped on a bike way without realizing? Cities are for people after all. There's also so many places where bikes and pedestrians share the way, like roads under construction, and shared streets. We need to stop thinking of cities as these perfect automated places where humans are not welcome.
- piva00 6mo agoNo, they won't, punishment is never better than good design that incentivises and directs how something ought to be used. Jaywalking is even a misdemeanor in some areas of the USA, it doesn't stop it from happening at all.