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The US creates "death to America" b-roll?

• vrganj 6mo ago
  The US creates "Red Menace", "Terrorist", "Axis of Evil" or "whatever the imperialist excuse of the day" b-roll.
  • BobbyJo 6mo ago
    So you think "Death to America" and "Death to terrorists and evil" are the same? Do you think saying "criminals should be punished" is similarly wrong to say? Honest question, as I'm confused about your moral boundaries.
    • vrganj 6mo ago
      To the Iranians, America is "The Great Satan". To the Americans, Iranians are "Terrorists". To a bystander they're both deranged warmongers using transparent excuses.
      • BobbyJo 6mo ago
        There is plenty of evidence Iran funds terrorism. I don't know of any evidence that Americans are biblical monsters, but I'm open to new information.
        • vrganj 6mo ago
          "Terrorism" is inherently a subjective, ideological label, just a vaguely threatening name for the Big Other. A classic in the genre, along with "Red Menace", "Yellow Peril", "Rogue State" etc etc. The Iranian version of this propaganda technique is the "Great Satan". They're all just big scary terms to throw around and justify ones deeds. To the Iranians, the Americans are the terrorists blowing up their bridges. Now what?
          • BobbyJo 6mo ago
            > "Terrorism" is inherently a subjective, ideological label If the US started calling Iran "Satan" would you see that as an escalation of rhetoric, or business as usual?
            • vrganj 6mo ago
              Business as usual. It's all just scary terms to dehumanize. No different from "Yellow Peril".
              • BobbyJo 6mo ago
                Fair enough. If you think terrorist and satan have equal grounding in reality then we'll just have to chalk the disagreement up to a difference in priors.
        • Hikikomori 6mo ago
          Terrorism or resistance against western imperialism and colonization?
          • BobbyJo 6mo ago
            That is a question one could ask. A little beyond me to answer.
• Hikikomori 6mo ago
  Do you also believe that 9/11 happened because they hate your freedom?
  • BobbyJo 6mo ago
    No, I think that had a lot to do with post WW2 imperialism in the middle east, along with religious motivations.
    • Hikikomori 6mo ago
      >The US creates "death to America" b-roll? >No, I think that had a lot to do with post WW2 imperialism in the middle east, along with religious motivations. And these are not related?
      • BobbyJo 6mo ago
        How can a thing that doesn't exist relate to history?
        • Hikikomori 6mo ago
          So 9/11 happened due to US imperialism. And there's no incident ever in Iran related to US imperialism?
          • BobbyJo 6mo ago
            > So 9/11 happened due to US imperialism. I said that was part of the reason, not all of it. > And there's no incident ever in Iran related to US imperialism? I'm not sure what you're asking or why. There have probably been things that have happened inside Iran due to US imperialism. Not sure how that relates to the idea of the US creating self-deprecating propaganda?
            • Hikikomori 6mo ago
              Their actions create it?